“And it’s not scapegoating patriarchy. You don’t find cruelty like this, erotic or not, in other cultures. Peace-loving cultures tend not to be patriarchal.”

Very few cultures are matriarchal and most cultures are patriarchal. So you have such a tiny sample size of non-patriarchal societies and most of them are tribes and small populations.

“They may have just gained pleasure from the cruelty.”

That’s exactly what I’m saying and pointing to, Not patriarchy, but simply women can be cruel like men and focus that.

“You don’t find cruelty like this, erotic or not, in other cultures.”

You sure? Because some cultures might have less abuse and rape, etc, which can be due to cultures that promote violence and sexual ojectification.

I’m not saying I like patriarchy, but I don’t like how every subject that sometimes should be focused on the event itself or person somehow always gets pointed or something to do with patriarchy. Especially for something that should be about women or how women can be bad inherently, but then of course it’s not women, its patriarchy behind it all. Meanwhile, no such excuse for men.

They won’t be penalized like a man would doing the same thing though. Men aren’t bad, but patriarchy is a male-run society. Lets look at it from the perspective of there being terrible people on this earth doing cruel things. I take this more so from how violence is glamorized in society than sexual objectification. And how parents neglect their children or don’t discipline them or set the right examples and kids have terrible upbringings or their mental disorders they already have go untreated when they become adults and you see the violence from there.

And like the book, “A child called It” about a son’s torment from his mother, if objectification is the reason for such stuff then the mom’s wouldn’t have or this mom wouldn’t have abused or tormented her son, as sexual objectificaiton is towards women and not men or more so toward women. You do know animals are constantly tortured and starved. Dogs, cats, tortured and starved for enjoyment. I hight doubt it’s because of sexual objectification, Beastiality is not celebrated as far as I can tell and it’s simply the fact that there are sick, twisted, cruel people who get enjoyment out of harming and torturing another person or living being.

How about instead of sexual ojectification and man ruled society being guilty again. It’s two lesbian women who are fucked in in the head and cruel, doing terrible things to the children. The girl was abused, but the boys were left starving too. Women can be just as evil and cruel as men simply. Just goes to show, it doesn’t matter straight, gay, lesbian, evil doesn’t discriminate and can lie in the individual no matter their race, orientation,status, etc. It’s disgusting and the few times I believe death penalty is suitable. And there are plenty of stories I’ve heard of mothers beating their sons, and sexually abusing them, etc. There’s a book, a popular one called, A child called It or something like that. And it’s a really sad book I’ve heard. I think the mis justice sometimes is when people the legal system does a slap on the wrist to women even though their crime is horrible like this, but because they are women, it’s lenient. And people are shocked when something not simply is done that is bad but because it’s from a woman or women. Yes, we all know how most crime is from men, but jeez, women aren’t angels either or not black and white like people perceive and society can portray things.