Betas Pushing Theory That Insults Them

averageSome guys who call themselves “Betas” (gentler, less macho men) complain that women want successful, dominating “Alphas,” instead of them.

Despite evidence to the contrary.

Turns out, women actually prefer Betas. I know I do. (Well, I prefer most Betas: the one’s who aren’t complaining about what idiots women are for wanting Alphas.)

Actually, they aren’t always complaining. They are often explaining, matter-of-factly, that women want Alphas because of evolution. Because dominating genes are just better genes, or something.

And sometimes these guys aren’t just telling me. They are adamantly pushing a cause.

I “get” the complaining. Who wants to feel rejected?

But why are they so tied to a theory that puts them down? And that leaves them no hope (in their minds)?

Maybe when you lack hope, giving up removes a burden? You don’t have to do anything?

Or, maybe a sense of superiority arises somehow?

Alphas may be genetically superior, but Betas are kinder and gentler, and better in that way? (Which sounds genetically superior to me.)

Or, women prefer dominating males because men are naturally supposed to dominate. And as males, Betas are part of that dominant class?

Who knows?

I find the attachment to this theory puzzling. If anyone’s got a better guess let me know.

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Posted on August 26, 2013, in feminism, men, psychology, relationships, sex and sexuality, sexism, women and tagged , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 26 Comments.

    • Interesting connection.

      • Another thing that makes this whole “theory” extremely plausible is that:

        1) It is simple
        2) It sounds “sciency” and plausible
        3) It appears that there are many other guys around in the same boat, which confirms the theory even more

        But it is likely that in reality each self-identified beta has a combination of issues that prevents them from succesfully dating, like:

        1) Untreated depression
        2) Social anxiety
        3) Any kind of psychological trauma from the past, ranging from being bullied to being rejected by women in the early adult years due to crappy luck (it does happen)
        4) Habits/beliefs that they inherited from their parent(s) that set them back. For example, some men on the past looked down on personal grooming and attempts to dress stylishly because it was not “masculine”. If their sons inherited this habit then guess what happens
        5) Messed up sexuality
        6) Poor social skills
        7) Economic background of their families
        8) Whatever you can imagine

        Of course it is easy to believe in a simple theory than to accept and deal with all those problems.

      • Some interesting points. I’m sure this is true of many people that would be labeled betas. Maybe I will throw your thoughts out there sometime and see what people think.

        But it also depends on how you define beta. Most of my friends have married betas. Probably all of them. We all like them better than Alphas, who can come across as domineering jerks.

  1. I know it’s not scientific, but in my mind I define ‘alpha’ as dominant/leader and ‘beta’ as submissive/follower.

    In many relationships, the woman may prefer a ‘beta’ man because the woman is herself an ‘alpha’ personality. She may be the most suitable ‘leader ‘for the relationship, and as such, a ‘beta’ man would be pleased to follow the lead of his mate.

    This is not to say that there has to be a leader and a follower in every relationship, but somehow it usually works this way. While I know that an egalitarian relationship is an ideal, it’s usually just a illusion and one person tends to lead.

    • My mom thinks that my brother is a beta– As you define it– Led around by an alpha female. But she thinks that my husband and I have an equal partnership. I do too. And I know other couples with equality. So it is possible.

  2. I stopped using okc a few weeks ago after one too many awkward dates lol. My coworker showed me cliqie.com and I’m a big fan of that over the others in terms of actually meeting people vs. just entertainment. It has a different approach that feels less sketchy cause you and your friends essentially act as “wingmen”. I like that it helps you find things to do too. Skout’s okay too, but still has it’s fair share of creepers

  3. They push that theory because if it’s true, then it’s not their fault if they don’t suceed. It’s not that they might have to change something about themselves. It’s someone else’s fault. Genetics’ fault for giving them bad genes, or the women’s fault for preferring other type of man, or society’s fault for idolizing the alphas. Complaining and giving up is easier than doing something.

    Besides, when they say “women ignore me”, they don’t mean women in general. This is from an okcupid study on messages sent. With a minority of women getting nearly all the messages, it’s logical they won’t respond to everybody.

    • Kind of a double standard, then. Sounds like there’s a possibility that they ignore most women, themselves, and are only interested in the female alpha-equivalent (top of the hierarchy).

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  5. I think there’s also a manipulative element there. Humans just LOVE to prove themselves to be exceptions, so “Woman don’t want guys like me” is setting the stage for “Oh yeah? Well I do!”

    Which never happens.
    But we- I mean, THEY keep trying it anyway.

    • That was the one reason I was hesitant to say that women prefer betas — because of the ones who lash out. So I made clear in my post that I don’t like the lasher-outers.

      But most Betas aren’t like that. So I defiantly prefer the kinder, gentler, more thoughtful “betas” to the dominating, womanizing types that are labeled “alphas.”

      And since the guys who lash out aren’t actually kind and gentle, they don’t have the qualities that I like in betas.

      • One could create an entertaining visual aid for this spectrum, from the “Alpha” guys who are genuine jerks, to the “alpha” guys who are actually pretty solid fellows despite their fondness for pissing contests, to the “Betas” who are angry and end up being jerks, to the “Beta” guys (the green zone?), to the whiney Betas…the Omegas? (This is the closest I’ve ever been to joining a fraternity.)

        Of course, these are surprisingly fluid archetypes, I think I personally have moved between a couple of them at different times.

      • If only I had the artistic ability!

        Evolutionary psychology might want to rethink how they describe alphas and betas, too. They say betas are generous, but the self-described betas who are so harsh hardly fit into the category – especially with regard to being generous in their views of others. They say they’re nice guys, but a strong hostility often rages beneath.

  6. If Justin Timberlake is bringing sexy back, I’m bringing beta back. I believe we are at the turning point of a new evolution that will prioritize compassion and empathy over brute force or coercion. I have to admit that I used to complain about this stuff all the time. “Is she really going out with him” by Joe Jackson was one of my theme songs. Truth is there have always been plenty of women who like betas, but betas usually are socially conditioned to like the alpha-loving women.

    • “Truth is there have always been plenty of women who like betas, but betas usually are socially conditioned to like the alpha-loving women.”

      Well, there’s a new twist.

      And go for it on bringing beta back.

  7. Give me a beta any day, I don’t think a true alpha and I would work at all.

    All women do not just automatically like alphas because of some sort of biological thing. Love is a lot more complex than that. It’s like me saying

    ‘all men like women with big boobs, they have evolved to do so. I don’t have a boyfriend and it’s because I don’t have big boobs. You can’t fight biology.’

    I think some people just have trouble finding a relationship and rather than look at themselves, they want to find some convoluted evolutionary reason. The reality is there are betas everywhere in happy relationships with lovely women that love them very much.

  8. Maybe their inability to get the women they desire, is being rationalised by putting themselves in a specific class i.e. Beta, and therefore justifying their situation. The root of the problem is usually lack of confidence and low self esteem.

    That is how I see it logically. Another way to look at it is they have a problem getting women because they are dickheads, then they are indulging in self-pity.

    I do not see myself as either Alpha or Beta; I probably have traits from both.

    • Thanks. Interesting thought. You could be right.

      I don’t totally buy into the “Alpha” or “Beta” theory, myself. But given the way they are described in evolutionary psychology, I prefer the betas.

      • Using the Alpha/Beta classification for simplicity, it is quite often the case that women marry a Beta male because he makes a better husband and father. In contrast, quite often they would rather have an Alpha male for sexual satisfaction, which leads them down the path of infidelity.

      • So I’ve heard. Makes some sense.

        Also heard that women probably most prefer alpha-beta mix. All the good parts of Rhett Butler and Ashley Wilkes mixed together. Which makes sense to me. Especially if you add this point: I also think that women are more attracted to confident than domineering men. And betas can certainly be confident.

  9. I read a lot of blogs from what is commonly called “the manosphere”, some of which is Pickup Artists, some of which is men talking constantly about going their own way, others are Men’s Rights Advocates…and some are minor blogs from guys who are trying to make sense of what they see in high school and beyond.

    It seems to me that these “Betas” push this theory for a number of reasons:
    1. If the cards are stacked against you from the get go, it isn’t your fault that you’re not very successful with women. It’s due mostly to biology, which is often seen as something you have to deal with, no matter who you are.

    2. It gives a sense of community. You never could get a date in high school and college? Well, here’s an entire forum of guys who *also* couldn’t. You go from being “that guy” to being “one of those guys”.

    3. Let’s face it: The stereotype of the hot woman going for the “Alpha” jerkface man exists for a reason. I personally knew a good number of women who did this, and would constantly complain that “all the nice guys are gone!” Take 200 guys who all saw the same thing (but directed at them) and sooner or later one of them will come up with an Evo Psych theory to explain WHY they all saw this.

    4. Some of these men are just angry. They see double standards that affect them, or have been royally screwed by their wives, girlfriends, female friends, etc. When people are angry, they get irrational and tend to lash out…often at what they perceive to be their “Enemy”. For some of the manosphere this means Feminists, or just women in general. It’s a classic Us vs Them, with various members of the female sex playing the part of Them/The Other. Most guys will admit that they know a few “good women” like their mothers or sisters…but I’ve seen others who are adamant that AWALT (All Women Are Like That). Like I said, anger (even justifiable anger) breeds irrational thought.

    5. You neglected to bring up the female half of their Evo Psych theory: Hypergamy. In everyday use, it means marrying above one’s caste or social level, like a nurse marrying a doctor or a janitor marrying a corporate CEO. But the manosphere uses it to explain why many of them date/marry women who are (for lack of a better term) golddiggers. According to their theory, all women of childbearing age are hypergamous and will want to have children and/or settle down with the richest man…the one who can ensure that their offspring are the best cared for. The problem, they say, is when a better prospect comes along, and after 10+ years of marriage or 3+ years of dating, your wife/girlfriend divorces or dumps you for the new guy who is better off than you, or just hotter than you overall. Sometimes this is referred to as “divorce = cashing out for money and prizes”.

    It is interesting stuff, and to be honest, a lot of them have valid points. I’ve known, either directly or through mutual friends, men who have been taken for a ride by their wives and girlfriends…guys who have been divorced unfairly, guys who have been falsely accused of physical abuse, guys who have been kicked out of their apartment by angry dates. It does happen, and I don’t believe that these manosphere men are making it up. But I disagree with them that the vast majority of women are like that. The fact that most of them seem to use the “bar scene” to find mates is, I think, more indicative of the type of people who go there that anything else. If you go looking for a nice, nonentitled, pleasant woman in a bar…you’ll probably find a woman who uses her body and charms to get free food and drinks all night long instead.

    Anyway, that’s my take on it.

    • Interesting points. Thanks for your input.

      Yes, someone women do prefer alphas (though most don’t), and in the past I’ve told complaining betas that the alpha-preference, where it occurs, just stands out: Why would women prefer bad boys over good guys? Cruelty stands out. Women who like nice guys — and who are nice, themselves — don’t stand out.

      I admitted to another beta that I also preferred alphas in high school. Not because I liked them so much but because they were popular and I was more concerned with my self-esteem than relationships at that point. If I could get an Alpha then I must be pretty great. Like I said, status over relationship. I actually liked the beta boys better.

      But that is a whole different topic that I plan to write on in the near future.

      As for hypergamy, next Friday’s post discusses that. (I schedule posts a week ahead.) All I will say right now is that men push this just as much as women do.

      (I try to keep my posts to around 500 words so I tend to break up the topics I discuss.)

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