The Wealthy Trump The Working Class

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Trump’s first Labor nominee, Andrew Puzder, sought starvation wages.

When Donald Trump won the Presidency I worried. I didn’t like his sexism and racism. Or his temperament.

But I saw one sliver lining. At least he was a populist.

But then he began making Cabinet nominations that didn’t seem too populist.

Anti-Labor Secretary?

Andrew Puzder’s nomination to the Department of Labor has now been rescinded because he couldn’t get enough Congressional support.

Democrats, unions and many working people (who may have voted for Trump) fought hard against him.

No wonder.

Mr. Puzder — the fast food magnet — opposed living wages, overtime rules and other worker protections. He was even accused of wage theft.

And he likes robots over people.

(Puzder wonders why anyone who flips burgers should make a living wage. I wonder why he deserves his multi-millions. Is he really worth it? Or does he make so much money because he pays his workers so little?)

Most people who voted for Trump expected him to create jobs with good wages. How does this guy fit into that picture?

(I don’t know much about Trump’s new pick, Alexander Acosta — only that the US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce likes him.)

Trump voters, what do you think?

I’m curious about everyone’s opinion on this. And I’m especially wondering what Trump voters think.

If you were voting for better jobs and wages, did this pick feel like a betrayal? Were you not aware of it?

How do you make sense of running as a populist and then making Puzder your Labor Secretary pick?

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  1. You know, I still have a hard time finding people that genuinely and openly support Trump or his decisions since taking office. I’m sure a large part of this has to do with the people I associate with and the news I read. Initially it was a curiosity, “Where are these silent masses?”

    Now, I don’t really care very much. I’m far more interested in seeing the chaos simmer down, for a few days at least.

    Is that really so much to ask?

    • I would really like to see things simmer down too. Four more years of this?!

      But I also hope that either he will actually help the middle class or that his voters will start to understand that they need to look someplace else.

      And it’s my experience in meeting with members of Congress that Democrats do help the working class. But many of The middle class don’t see it because the Republicans are good at distracting them. Trying to convince them that Democrats help women, minorities, and poor people, but not them. When actually Democrats do. And the GOP never does.

      People need to check out their voting records.

  2. Anyone who thought trump would make good jobs is delusional. People like him make money of others not having any. His only interest is himself becoming richer. He doesn’t care about the working class. There’s no point in trying to make sense of his decisions. He’s moody and like a child. He doesn’t make sense.

    • He seems to be very egocentric to me, which is why I worried that he was just making a populist argument but would get in office and be focused on serving his own interests. On the other hand I thought that he likes to be liked, so maybe he would actually do something to help the working class.

      Unless his real plan was to do fake news to make it seem like he was helping the working class while really he was just serving his own interests.

      So now I worry about is possible success at convincing people to only believe him and no other news.

      • I guess it’s easier to make people like him by fake news than by real actions.

      • Anirban (aka Abner) Bhattacharya

        Pres. DJ Trump (I do not support him) got some non-White votes-8% Black, 29% Hispanic, 29% Asian & some American Indian or Native American votes. Any protesters who wanted Hillary Diane Clinton to be Pres. but didn’t vote, have no complaint about Pres. DJ Trump. He won the election fair. As Pres. Obama said-don’t boo, vote. When Pres. Obama won the election & reelection in 2008 & 2012, I did not protest because Pres. Obama won fair. People must accept DJ Trump winning election fairly.

        As known, reporters from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN (like Anderson Hays Cooper), PBS & most newspapers journalists supported Hillary and opposed Donald for President. Now facts are the same when in comes to news but journalists views on news can be different. Also how journalists report the facts can show bias. Mainstream media is not credible on some topics such as 2016 Presidential election. I think what reporters from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN,etc. along with journalists for most newspapers hope that if they repeat the same things about DJ Trump unchallenged, that people will believe what they say but many aren’t.

        Most people who watch CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. already agree with the journalists bias against DJ Trump. While the many who don’t trust the mainstream media bias against DJ Trump often tune out because they’ve heard it so many times before that there’s not much to regard. Again if NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, etc. are all saying the same things with same views, not much to consider. That’s why it’s no surprise that mainstream media like CBS, ABC, etc. has lost credibility on some topics and have lost ratings because many people are tuning out.

        When it came to both Hillary and Diane, journalists usu. gave ½ truths or ½ facts on both candidates, reporting some facts but omitting other important facts. Most media did this with DJ Trump but the few medias which were against Hillary did this also with Sen. Hillary Diane Clinton. I saw nothing illegal which Hillary did with her emails, though what she did was dumb. I don’t think she read all emails sent to her, but she didn’t do anything illegal. Of course websites which supported DJ Trump for Pres. made a big deal about the emails.

        Few websites hostile to Hillary, condemned her for defending a man who raped a 12 year old girl in the 1970s. Lawyers (no surprise) are often arrogant people where it’s about winning & not the facts. Hillary was doing her job as a defense lawyer which was to give her client the best defense, though the client’s a bad person. Again, Hillary was no better than Donald in that both talk with forked tongue & lawyers do that to give their client best representation. Juries decide if what is said is true or false.

        Proving that ratings for ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, Fox News & CNN has gone down over the years, see these 3 links http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/fox-news-takes-huge-hit-ratings/
        http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/12/americas-news-anchors-are-less-recognizable-now-but-network-news-is-still-alive/
        http://ijr.com/2015/02/247232-msnbc-hits-decade-low-ratings-cnn-suffers-fox-dominates/

        I usu. do not watch the news on American news networks & almost never read the newspapers. Newspapers & news networks compete with each other with regard to viewers & advertisers, but they usu. don’t compete when it comes to the views of the journalists. It’s among these reasons why fewer people trust the news when it comes to some topics such as the 2016 Presidential election. Many people who watch those networks already agree with the journalists biases against President DJ Trump. Some viewers will watch let’s say CBS & ABC news to hear the journalists bias against Pres. Trump such as watch ABC News 1 night, CBS news the next night & so on. Same thing with the few media sources which were against Hillary Diane Clinton by watching or reading the media against Hillary such as comparing WND to Lifesite news. Many people will watch what agrees with them.

        They have found that even with TV shows, ratings have been going down for the networks because when a TV show pushes views incl. political views, which is repeated on other network shows, it gets dull to hear the same views. Incidentally, fewer people go to the movies than they did years ago because Hollywood has lost creativity such as doing remakes, sequels or making movies with the same topics repeated so many times rerunning the same views.

        We saw how celebrities usu. supported Hillary, such as Katy Elizabeth Perry, Jay Z, etc., which is their right as American citizens to do so, while we saw how celebrities spoke against DJ Trump, such as Adele Laurie Blue Adkins telling Donald not to use her song Rolling in the Deep during the campaign. After DJ Trump won the election, we have again heard celebrities Ariana Grande, Katy E. Perry, etc. talk of how they’re crying that he won, etc.

        Now I like music by Ariana Grande, Lady Gaga, etc. & again I did not vote for DJ Trump. I did not vote for Hillary. But I don’t decide because celebrities say so. Celebrities have a free speech right to give their political views, but most people don’t care about celebrities political views. It’s no surprise media would give the celebrities views, but a celebrity’s view is just a citizen’s view. DJ Trump won the election and the Republicans are the majority in both Senate & Representatives House.

        Possibly because celebrities accomplish more than most in life, that they think average people care what they think. Pres. Obama seems irritated by the people who have protest DJ Trump winning the election, with Pres. Obama saying that it’s a democratic process and that like it or not DJ Trump won the election fair. We’ll find out if DJ Trump says what he means when he succeeds Pres. Obama or did DJ Trump just say what he did to get elected?

      • Running up to the election it was very clear that the main networks were not pro Hillary.

        For the entire week before the election all CNN talked about was Hillary’s email, Which actually wasn’t even a big deal. Other Secretaries of State have also had private servers. She wasn’t using a private server to harm the US. And her server was never hacked — unlike the US server.

        Yet CNN spent the last few weeks only talking about that and never talking about how Russia wanted Trump to win, How unqualified and unstable he was, etc.

        And now Trump is trying to convince people to avoid mainstream media and listen only to him. Fortunately only about one third of Americans think that’s a good idea and two thirds are strongly against that view. People’s perception of the media has become more favorable since he started whining about them.

        But that’s what dictators do — try to control the information people hear.

        If he were successful he could be a failed president yet get people to believe that he was actually really good because they would only hear what he wanted them to believe. It’s a great way to manipulate people if you can trick them.

        btw, I won’t approve comments unless I’ve read them and I simply don’t have time to read the large number of comments I get, so I limit approval to short comments. Please see my comment policy. https://broadblogs.com/comment-policy/

  3. He’s had terrible decisions on the people he’s picked. The lady he picked for being in charge of education is an idiot. And women who were trump supporters, I saw from tweets and such were not happy she was picked and regretted voting for trump. She doesn’t seem eligible to being a teacher yet she’s going to run the show and she wants to privatize schools. That could mess up so many schools and teachers losing their jobs, etc. Plus she will have a guy run things below her who is a nut job. I saw tweets showing the crap he had in books as a professor from liberty university. I don’t remember his name, but you might know. I’m a theist so I don’t mind religion, but people should be respected to not have in shoved down their throat and the last thing we need is bigoted stuff taught to kids, like there was anti-gay propaganda in the text books.

    You have rick perry who most likely knows nothing about his position or less so in regards of secretary of energy or something like that. That lady who was there was a brilliant woman, an actual physicist. Then Sessions and Bannon, like White nationalist guys running the show. That’s not going to be good for minority rights and women’s rights and the lgbt community rights too. Isn’t there an exxon mobil exec too? That’ going to be great for our environment. What bothers me too, I don’t know if you heard, but the GOP and trump are trying to break up or freeze the EPA. That’s scary, that’s what helps especially poor citites and communities to have decent water. But this can spread further. There will be less inspection of or to watch as far as trees, the eco system, wildlife. It’s a move for trump to help his industry buddies. So they can do what they want and not have the EPA block them and therefore if they want to make things easier for themselves and pollute things, they can. You know less inconvenience for them, it’s just people it will effect that’s all (sarcasm). Such as if they want to dump coal or waste in our waters or pollute the air more, oh well. People don’t realize or some don’t.

    That yes too much government can be bad, but some make it like anything with the government is bad. But let me tell you. You think our country run by out government would be bad. Well that’s nothing compared to how our country would be without these regulations and restrictions keeping them in check as in the big industry tycoons. You think they would restrict themselves? Hell no. They would do what’s easiest for them and cheaper for them and hell to everyone else. Unions? They would be gone. Environmental protections? That would get in the way, that would be gone. Remember in the early 1900s, they put whatever in people’s foods, which is why the FDA exists. There used to be child labor, that would exist probably too. Who needs a lunch break? holiday pay, vacation, personal time? nah workers don’t need that. Overtime pay? no. A minimum wage, nah just pennies. I mean it’s not living wage now, but think how it would be if companies ran the country completely. They kind of do, but luckily there are regulations. Big business unregulated in America? Oh boy. It’s just scary because you see how China is. People can’t frickin go outside and breathe decent air and have to have masks because it’s constantly filled with smog. Ton’s or air pollution because it’s not regulated. Luckily, hopefully things don’t move too fast usually in 4 years, so hopefully he won’t do too much damage in 4 years. Hopefully people will have woken up by then that this asshat doesn;t get re-elected. Because if he’s here 8 years, then there would be definitely time to do bad things. It’s amazing obama got so much blame, but they will see and miss him or realize he wasn’t and trump is the bad one ha.

    • Thanks for chiming in on this. That’s pretty much how I see it too.

      And I will be writing more on how getting rid of the EPA and his Department of Energy pick helps wealthy oil and coal interests but hurts the middle class.

      I worry that Trump is trying to delegitimate Real news and insert his own fake news to try to get people to vote for him regardless of how much he puts the wealthy above the middle class.

  4. Trump is the anti-establishment candidate and the blue collar workers came out for Trump like they turned out for Ronald Reagan. I believe from my conversations that they believe he has been doing everything he said he would do and I think they are still with him.

    It wasn’t so much that they voted for Trump as they voted against the establishment. Only Trump or someone like Trump could take the pounding from the media, Hollywood, big political donors, the the establishment of both parties (Democrats and Republicans). It seems everyone hated Trump except for the voters who live between NYC and California.

    Way too early for a blue collar type person to jump ship, plus no where to jump to for a social liberal, who happens to be a financial conservative.

    It seemed you wanted this perspective. Had I thought otherwise, I would have said nothing like for the polls 🙂

    As for the media, did they every get it wrong. They stopped being reporters to become advocates.

    • But they voted against the establishment because the establishment never did anything for them. They only helped the elite. And now Trump is nominating people who help the wealthy and not the middle class. So I find it confusing. I think a lot of these people think Dems don’t help them. Yet Democrats actually do help working people quite a bit.

      Thanks for your thoughts on this.

      • What helps working people is creating well paid and good jobs, period.

        Sorry but Democrats do not have a track record of doing this in America, except for President Clinton 20 years ago.

        Democrat policies with over regulation has in fact destroyed jobs.

      • I agree that overregulation can be a problem.

        At the same time, Democrats have been trying to get a big infrastructure bill passed for a long time but have been stymied by the GOP. I know this personally because I have lobbied both sides. McCarthy– Second in command of Republicans–seems to be on board now, but the rest of the GOP seems to be foot-dragging.

        Democrats have wanted to ensure that no one who is working for a living is living in poverty and have supported the earned income tax credit for years. The GOP is finally getting on board — even though years ago Nixon and Reagan both supported it.

        And the best way to get into the middle class is through education, Which Democrats support much more strongly than Republicans. Again, Kevin McCarthy seems to be on board with this but is having a hard time with the rest of Republican establishment.

        The problem with moving jobs from Mexico and China to the US is threefold:

        1) they will come here and just be automated, Which does not good in the long run
        2) people in China and Mexico will have less money to buy our products
        3) if there are no jobs in Mexico, Mexicans will have more reason to come here — and a wall is incredibly expensive and can’t really keep them out

        Republicans need to call their members of Congress. Even Steve Bannon said that Republicans (grassroots) need to push Republicans (elite) on issues like this.

        Thanks for your comments. I might write a post on this to get more input from Trump-supporting readers since I’m curious about how they see all of this.

    • “they voted against the establishment.”

      What exactly does that mean? What did they vote for and what exactly did they vote against?

  5. I’ve been wanting to bring this up. I’m just bothered, because and this is my criticism of liberals. I’m usually in between and have a lot of criticism for many conservative things. But I’ve gone on and said I don’t like the things trump has said and done. I think the ban he did was unconstitutional and only make things worse with immigration. What he wants with things that would turn back the clock on women’s rights is troubling. He cares about stupid ratings over his job as president and he lies a lot. But there’s one thing, even though he said something stupid as far as terrorist attack in sweden friday night, when there was none or terrorist attacks they could think of. He should have fact checked and not just blurt out things without knowing when something happened or the details. But the fact is that I’m glad he brought up Sweden which has been on my mind. I believe immigration is important and you don;t want to shut people off, but you need to be realistic and have proper vetting. I believe america has it, but I wish people would be more concerned about what’s happening instead of turning their head because saying something would be “un-pc”. I don’t know about you, but women being sexual assaulted is serious and more important than saying immigration and being too lenient has lead to problems there with some men with different views unchecked.

    I don’t know if you’ve looked into this or not, i know you’re probably more focused on america many times, which makes sense. But you as a feminist, I would think would look at women’s issues in other countries, because women’s issues are women’s issues right? From what I’ve read, I thought Sweden was the 9th happiest or best country as far as 1st world countries go? I thought and do believe, which you’ve stated that more eglatarian countries have less crime and more importantly less crimes against women. If this was germany which I looked at during the cologne attacks. I looked things up and found germany already had issues or has issues from the country or people’s views and that those ocktoberfests had sexual assaults and concerts and committed by german men. So unfair to blame on the asylum seekers and that could be a far right agenda. But I believe or though the nordic countries were more liberal and pro women? Stockholm has one if the highest rape rates in the world? Something has to give, either Sweden isn’t more egalitarian than america and such or it is or was and not properly vetted and accomodated country is overwhelmed with taking in more refugees than they can handle and troubled ones slipping through or understaffed or not vetting thoroughly. And yes i know more reports are taken in and thing like leering and such can falll under rape there so that could make it higher, but that’s still more harassment and sexual assaults I’d expect from such a country. I mean that’s very patriarchal numbers if you ask me.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

    https://www.ft.com/content/598d3a94-92c1-11e5-bd82-c1fb87bef7af

    page 34 for the stats http://www.nsfk.org/Portals/0/nordicstats_1950-2000.pdf

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

    People got to stop with “oh don’t say that or turn a blind eye if immigration is the problem. If there’s a problem, it needs to be addressed and fixed, and pisses me off because it’s ruining or has ruined that country.

    • I agree that immigrants need to be thoroughly vetted. But doing something that looks like a Muslim ban is not only unconstitutional, it would likely backfire.

      That’s because if young Muslim men are feeling rejected and like America hates them, they are more likely to be radicalized and become homegrown terrorist. It all plays right into ISIL’s hands. ISIL constantly tries to convince young American Muslim men that America hates them and so they must attack us.

      I’m also worried that Trump knows this and is using it to create chaos — trying to entice terrorists into attacking us — and then the need for a strongman leader. And a possible move out of democracy.

      So you need a balance. Because if people aren’t thoroughly vetted you risk terrorism that could lead to an authoritarian state. But a Muslim ban is a terrible idea — especially for people who want to prevent terrorism.

      Also, see this on Sweden (on the first link you gave me):

      Nutshell: the more a culture values women the less likely they are to blame women for being raped and the more likely women are to report rape. Sweden strongly values women and works hard to protect them (As you can see from the paragraph below), And women are more likely to report rates because they are less likely to be harmed by simply reporting it. In America the rape report rate is very low, Something 5-20% reported.

      On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries.
      But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries’ records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.
      “In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics,” she says.
      “So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record – one victim, one type of crime, one record.”
      The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden – it’s almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010.
      So something’s going on.
      But Klara Selin says the statistics don’t represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.
      The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of cases, she suggests, though she doesn’t deny that there has been some real increase in the number of attacks taking place – a concern also outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.

      • I don’t want a ban. What trump is doing is wrong and won;t work. I think america’s vetting process is fine. But what bothers me and why this got this way is it seems Sweden officials were so scared to look xenophobic, causing them to keep taking more refugees than they can handle and not vetting hard enough probably because well “it would be wrong to do that right”? Screw the threat or people and women’s freedoms right in the sake of being so giving, which can be exploited. I posted the link to show the counter argument. It’s good it’s not as bad as seem, but isn’t that still bad? It’s trebled over the last 7 years and this is the time with the big increase with refugees from syria, etc.

        “Nutshell: the more a culture values women the less likely they are to blame women for being raped and the more likely women are to report rape. Sweden strongly values women and works hard to protect them (As you can see from the paragraph below), And women are more likely to report rates because they are less likely to be harmed by simply reporting it. In America the rape report rate is very low, Something 5-20% reported.”

        You see a culture that values women is less likely to blame women, true and more likely to report rapes. So this sounds pro women, but if you have that culture, I thought cultures like these are less violent and less sex crimes against women? I thought the more patriarchal a culture is, the more violent it is,especially against women. So that’s why this depresses me so much, because Sweden has the right beliefs but the piece of shit immigrants have ruined a good country for women, where women could feel safe and be free, because if the country is that way, then the Swedish men who live in such culture would be more respectul to women than men in patriarchal cultures right? What do you think the cultures are in syria and other middle east countries. So the rape increase has to be more so from the immigrants from that fact. Not that swedish men don’t rape because that does happen and swedish isn’t completley eglitarian, I don’t believe any first world country is. I don’t think one could be completely because other 1st world countries are patriarchal and you have to have defenses and some warrior ability to defend from an invasion and not be overtaken. A true pacifist 1st would country would be easy prey for imperialism or take over.

        And yes more reports are made so it looks higher and leering, cat calls, unlike other places, in Sweden those could fall under sexual assault with sweden. But regardless of it not being an epidemic or as high as it should seem. It shouldn’t be high regardless whether leering or catcalling, rape, etc. Because I thought cultures like this are supposed to be better for women and less crime on women? This doesn’t seem like eglitarian behavior but patriarchal behavior further suggesting how Sweden has been ruined as a result. Will it ever rebound, I don’t know. It seems like Sweden had to finally take their head out of the sand and realize what’s going on as I’ve read less refugees are accepted. They are still taking refugees but not like before and checking more I hope. But thaf doesn’t help for ones not acclimating there and have anti woman views. And this doesn’t have to even do with ISIS,

        Sure Isis type of men could do this. But some can be from troubled youths who put their problems on women in Sweden and it can be young men who carry their anti woman views about woman with them to sweden thus the violence too. This really bothers me, because The nordic countries is something I thought america could aspire to overall and for women. It’s hard to go that way, and Sweden, after all that progress…well for nothing and ruined. A country that did and should have low rapes and assaults on women because of the culture and definitely should be less so than america regardless of reported more or not. Does this bother you? I hope you know something I don’t know or encouraging, because this depresses me and a sign of what can happen being “too pc”. It’s not good going the alt right direction, but I always believe with immigration it’s good to be a happy medium. You too conservative or closed off, you don’t progress but people who are too accepting, they get taken advantage of for their over giving nature. That seemed to happen to Sweden.

      • Can you make a few bullet point comments to summarize this?

  6. First, let me say I am trilled Mr. Pudzer withdrew his name for consideration as Labor Secretary. He was a scoundrel. Enough said. Not sure why he was selected.

    Second, just because people are billionaires does NOT mean they are unable to help working class people. Why don’t you criticism people like Warren Buffet and other billionaires who support Democrat causes? Clearly, in your view they must be able to help. Right? So what would make these billionaires any different?

    Third, we need to look very closely at the rhetoric of the Democrat Party versus the reality of the Democrat Party. If working class Americans truly believed the Democrats had their best interest at heart, HRC would be at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. If they truly believed in the Dems, then we would not have seen the terrible losses suffered by Democrats in Congress and State Legislatures since President Obama was elected.

    It does not mean Republicans are all that great. In fact, we have been equally lousy at the Federal level. We have been terrific at the State level. Heck even here in Blue Maryland we have a Republican Gov with approval rating in the 70% range.
    When you look at President Obama cabinet, they were not exactly poor men and women. They were elitist too. I recall his Treasury Secretary even had unpaid taxes for a domestic undocumented worker. Now he is making millions on Wall Street.

    The Left is still fighting the election results from Nov 8th 2016. Oh well. In doing so, all they are doing is revealing their true colors and utter contempt for working class Americans. They think they are waging war on President Trump. But, what they are really doing is digging their own graves for 2018. Very few Americans, outside of these crazy blue states, feel illegal immigrants, refugees, and people who have no legal status in this country should be elevated to the level of taxpaying US citizens. So, when the Left opposes President Trump even deporting convicted criminals (even though President Obama did the same), Americans are not going to forget it. So, you have all the left organization willing to spend $$$$ on illegal criminals and people with no status. But, give the finger to working class Americans.

    No one has the right to comes to America. We do not have open borders and never will. There were refugees in the World before the Syrians. Why are we hung up them? There are more African refugees than Syrians. Most of these so called Syrian refugees to Europe we just young cowardly men running away from their country. Hey, but why not. You can go to Europe and be welcomed with open arms and open legs!

    PS: I think if President Trump were to nominate Jesus Christ to a cabinet position, the Democrats would oppose him.

    • A lot of his cabinet picks look like establishment Pence picks. I heard that when Trump was seeking a VP he told them that they would be running domestic and foreign policy while he made America great again (cheerleading?). If he was truly a populist I had hoped that he would at least veto crazy choices.

      One of my concerns is that Republicans will let it go and not pressure trunk to actually govern in a populist manner. (and by that I mean pro infrastructure, tax policy that helps the middle class… Not xenophobic — even if we move Jobs out of China and Mexico they will soon be automated).

      And I know plenty of one-percenters who care about the working class. Like Warren Buffett. So I don’t have a problem with millionaires and billionaires. It’s just that his cabinet picks don’t look like they are likely to help the middle class. But I’ll write more on that later.

      I meet with members of Congress, Both Republicans and Democrats, and Democrats are consistently for things that would help working people like infrastructure jobs, expanding the earned income tax credit which he ensures that no one who is working is living in poverty, aid for education and retraining, affordable healthcare… But Republicans fight all of that. I have been talking with Kevin McCarthy’s staff and they are growing interested in all of those things, But I haven’t seen much movement from other Republicans.

      And if you look at Supreme Court decisions all republican appointees have voted to bolster big money in politics, Which drowns out the voices of ordinary citizens — and many Trump supporters complained that they have no voice. Democratic appointees, on the other hand, have you voted against money in politics.

      To the extent that Democrats do behave like Republicans it is because of money in politics. Too many Americans get their information from political ads so Democrats feel like they have to compete for dollars. But at least their Supreme Court appointments fight against a system that is stacked against ordinary Americans.

  7. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/sweden-looks-forward-informing-trump-about-its-immigration-and

    sounds like denial here which bothers me and the problems in the first place. This is what bothered me., Trumps is an idiot for saying things not factual as there are no terrorist attacks that happened friday night. But there is a rape problem in a country there shouldn’t be accorindg to swedish values.

    “Coincidentally, last week a leading British think tank released a report examining attitudes in six European countries on issues including immigration. It found that Sweden, a country with a “strong tradition of liberalism,” has undergone a significant shift in attitudes regarding immigration in the last couple of years.”

    I just copied and pasted a comment to article too.

    :Dutch Uncle • an hour ago
    I visited my Swedish friends for a week last summer. There is a great deal of frustration with the Muslim immigrants among them (my friends are doctors, teachers, and a retired diplomat). But you think we have a problem with political correctness here, Ha! The Swedes invented it. So I am not at all surprised to hear the implied denial in the Swedish politicians’ remarks regarding the realities of the Muslim immigrants.”

    “Horowitz spoke about a surge of crime and rapes, and allegations that the government sometimes tries to cover up the identity of the perpetrators.”

    This denial pisses me off though and why sweden with good ideals and the people have been let down by it’s government for being in denial, being more concerned of being pc than protecting its people and the ideals from immigrants meets swedish ideals.

    • Sweden is not post-patriarchal even though it is one of the most gender-equal societies in the world. And so you still have rape, But rape is much more likely to be taken seriously. And women are much more likely to report it because they are much less likely to be punished for doing so. I don’t see how that this is about denial.

      Europe is moving toward a partnership mindset and away from a patriarchal, domination mindset. But Muslim immigrants often are still in a patriarchal, domination mindset. And that is the problem. So some European countries are trying to insist that immigrants take on their values. And I agree that they should. Because based on the low birth rate of Europe versus the high birthrate of these immigrants, Europe could end up moving back into a domination mindset in a few generations. And people with domination mindsets tend to be quite miserable, which is why so many are fleeing. But once Europe is taken over by a domination culture where will they go?

      I know plenty of Muslims to have partnership mindsets so Islam isn’t is the problem. Mohammed was remarkably partnership-oriented back in the seventh century. But Islam of the Middle East is infused with the patriarchy of Middle Eastern culture. The Islam of West Jakarta is quite different, and one of the most gender-equal places on the planet.

      • “Mohammed was remarkably partnership-oriented back in the seventh century.”

        How in God’s name can you even write such a thing? Seriously.

        Having sex with 12 year old girls, multiple wives…….do you know the Quran says for a Muslim man to do with a non Muslim woman? Seriously? Do you know the answer? Go look it up, please.

        I really think people on the Left have gone mad. You have become so afraid of offending someone that you are unable to even look at facts and reason.

      • Well Mohammed was remarkably partnership-oriented for the seventh century. Pretty much all prophets of every religion were remarkably partnership-oriented for their time. Not necessarily for today. See this:

        Early Islam’s Feminist Air
        https://broadblogs.com/2010/09/02/early-islam%e2%80%99s-feminist-air/

        And if you want to encourage people to grow more partnership-oriented it’s helpful to highlight their partnership roots. That’s something that they can hang onto and nurture.

      • Sweden is not post-patriarchal even though it is one of the most gender-equal societies in the world. And so you still have rape, ”

        I know there’s still rape, because I believe any first world country will still have such values, because there is some need for “defense” against other patriarchal cultures. But even though there’s rape and some swedish men rape, wouldn’t the more gender equal socieites have less rape than the more patriarchal cultures? Look at the numbers? Even if it counts or shows more because women can report more. What I say the last few years it tripled, to 60 per 100,000. So let’s count the extra numbers from more reports.into it. Before that it was 20. No matter how you spin it…”It’s still high and too high for what a more gender equal society is supposed to be and like the other nordic countries are. The one’s going up are the one’s having the too liberal immigration policy.

        “But Muslim immigrants often are still in a patriarchal, domination mindset. And that is the problem. So some European countries are trying to insist that immigrants take on their values. And I agree that they should. Because based on the low birth rate of Europe versus the high birthrate of these immigrants, Europe could end up moving back into a domination mindset in a few generations.”

        Exactly and that’s why it upsets me. The fact of the raise in rapes which most likely and proven a majoriy of the rapes and that increase is from immigrants. 80% I found. And that’s why this pc bullshit bothers me. I know Sweden doesn;t want to seem against immigration or xenophobic. But You can be critical and careful and still allow immigrants but an smaller amount that can be handled and vetted and they can take in. This is where being too liberal backfires. Just like in like with people who are too giving and nice, aren’t as critical and too trusting and get exploited and taken advantage of by people. That;s why it upsets me. I know most of the humor as it trump for hims exagerrate and being inaccurate about the sweden. But liberals can only think in a binary form? They can’t see trumps wrong, but also think “yeah this is not good with what’s going on with Sweden, and the totality of it, is that it’s not a laughing matter” Unless a country more pro woman changing agaisnt women is funny which would be pretty hypocritcal for social justice warrios.

        I’m glad you see the problem, but I see from fucking stephen colbert show and that Olivier guy, liberal talk show hosts and it;s funny. People on facebook and other liberals finding it funny and avoiding this problem with sweden. It irritates me, because I see something Sweden had that was good and it having been ruined. And something they could have prevented if the Sweden government or officials weren’t in damn denial about the problem. They took in more than they could handle, lack of vetting and despite the increase crime and rape were hesitant to admit it’s from immigration. They rather be pc than fucking do something to help women. I read police reports avoid documenting the race of rapes and such despite the majoriy from foreign men. This acceptance would have helped Sweden be more strict with vetting and take in less immigrants that would help them keep track and not be overwhelmed. I saw how Swedish officials had a twitter response saying “what is he smoking”? Which yeah I don’t mind trump being mocked he;s an idiot. But then a newspaper saying no problem. It feels like they won’t openly admit there is a problem. It looks like they finally have recognized it since they are cutting back on people coming in and Swedish people are feeling frustration from the influx too.

      • I’ve got too much to read lately. Can you please summarize some of these points?

  8. I’ll shorten the first post if you need or want me to be.

  9. Sweden is not post-patriarchal even though it is one of the most gender-equal societies in the world. And so you still have rape, ”

    I know there’s still rape, because I believe any first world country will still have such values, because there is some need for “defense” against other patriarchal cultures. But even though there’s rape and some swedish men rape, wouldn’t the more gender equal socieites have less rape than the more patriarchal cultures? Look at the numbers? Even if it counts or shows more because women can report more. What I say the last few years it tripled, to 60 per 100,000. So let’s count the extra numbers from more reports.into it. Before that it was 20. No matter how you spin it…”It’s still high and too high for what a more gender equal society is supposed to be and like the other nordic countries are. The one’s going up are the one’s having the too liberal immigration policy.

    “But Muslim immigrants often are still in a patriarchal, domination mindset. And that is the problem. So some European countries are trying to insist that immigrants take on their values. And I agree that they should. Because based on the low birth rate of Europe versus the high birthrate of these immigrants, Europe could end up moving back into a domination mindset in a few generations.”

    Exactly and that’s why it upsets me. The fact of the raise in rapes which most likely and proven a majoriy of the rapes and that increase is from immigrants. 80% I found. And that’s why this pc bullshit bothers me. I know Sweden doesn;t want to seem against immigration or xenophobic. But You can be critical and careful and still allow immigrants but an smaller amount that can be handled and vetted and they can take in. This is where being too liberal backfires. Just like in like with people who are too giving and nice, aren’t as critical and too trusting and get exploited and taken advantage of by people. That;s why it upsets me. I know most of the humor as it trump for hims exagerrate and being inaccurate about the sweden. But liberals can only think in a binary form? They can’t see trumps wrong, but also think “yeah this is not good with what’s going on with Sweden, and the totality of it, is that it’s not a laughing matter” Unless a country more pro woman changing agaisnt women is funny which would be pretty hypocritcal for social justice warrios.

    • I’ve got too much to read lately. Can you please summarize some of these points?

      • “Sweden is not post-patriarchal even though it is one of the most gender-equal societies in the world. And so you still have rape,”

        -Yes, but the more gender equal the culture, the less rape right? Rape rate is too high for what swedish culture is. So most likel, the majority of thesse rapes coming from immigrants and needs swedish men.
        -Even factoring the increased numbers due to the country allowing more women to report, that would still have the number per capita too high. The rate would be like that of a pretty hierarchal country, not one of the more gender neutral countries, thus the problem.

        “But Muslim immigrants often are still in a patriarchal, domination mindset. And that is the problem. So some European countries are trying to insist that immigrants take on their values. And I agree that they should. Because based on the low birth rate of Europe versus the high birthrate of these immigrants, Europe could end up moving back into a domination mindset in a few generations.”

        -Yes and isn’t that depressing and upsetting? Trump deserves to be laughed at, but despite his vague spouting, what’s happening in Sweden should not be laughed about or just brushed off, but seems to be by liberals seeing talks shows and responses from people.

        -Yes it could go back in time, because Sweden officials can’t admit the problem and then are in denial. So scared of seeming xenophobic that they never vetted properly or slowed things down and checked to see how immigrant men would assimilate before just having borders wide open. Ironic isn’t it. The good thing about liberalism and that is work to equality, but yet the same thing that can cause people or a country to stick their mind to what’s idealistic, and not realistic.Looking at things for what the problem is, and the brutal truth, would have prevented this.

        -Wouldn’t you say is or has ruined something good that Sweden had going? If the country turns back to patriarchal, then being too open to muslim immigrants from such countries was a mistake. It’s not about America closing borders, as that’s wrong,but vetting really strict and looking at the problem for what it is or could be.

      • But the official statistics aren’t a clear mirror of the actual rape rate.

        They say that the level of rape is low in the Middle East (Because the girls are all covered up). But girls are unlikely to record it because if they do they will get killed in many places. She is always blamed.

        In Sweden Women feel free to report rape and don’t fear being blamed for it, And the police taken more seriously, So the report rate is higher. Plus the police itemize each instance which makes the recorded rate higher than what would be recorded in another country for the same behavior.

        The Scandinavian countries are indeed worried that a domination culture will eventually take over them and they are dealing with it in a variety of ways. Some are trying to keep immigrants out and others are insisting that the immigrants take on their values. And I agree with doing what you can to keep from turning into a domination culture.

  10. It is alarming to see how politicians promise but do not meet the voters´expectation once they are in charge… Well, Trump seem to have accomplished certain things. But those were the issues that entailed less benefits to citizenship in terms of “country” and “democracy”… It is curious that you mentioned that you thought that Trump was a Populist” … The word itself is something eclectic. Here our model (and I´d say only official populist leader has been Juan Perón, who you might known as the husband of Evita Perón, a woman who has significatively changed Women´s Situation here and their rights. And because of the movie, starring Madonna, singing “Don´t cry for me Argentina”)… Anyway, here is a great article which wonders if Donald Trumpo would be a peronist, in terms of future social conquers and so on. http://latinamericagoesglobal.org/2016/11/donald-trump-peronist/ All the best to you, dear Georgia! 😀 ⭐

    • He talked like a populist but he is governing pretty far right. I’m not sure how many of his fans have noticed that. It’s probably why he’s trying to tell them not to listen to the media and only listen to him. A great way to manipulate people if you can get it to work.

  11. “They say that the level of rape is low in the Middle East (Because the girls are all covered up). But girls are unlikely to record it because if they do they will get killed in many places. She is always blamed.”

    Yeah for the middle east. I’m sure they feel they have a right to women’s bodies so rape doesn’t even exist according to that culture. Not because it’s not happening, but it’s happening so much, but the view is that women’s consent is irrelevant so not taken in to count as rape. But I’m talking about like compared to America. I believe rape is quite underreported in America, but I doubt anything like the Islamic State middle east areas where women aren’t even people there.

    I showed the stats of Sweden with it was 20 per 100,000 i think? It went up to 60 the last few years but it might be because of the increased reporting like you said. But still even if counting that, that would be back to the 20 rate or like that. Which to me is more or not much different than America’s rate. Even if it’s because more is reported, it shouldn’t even be close to America’s rate which is less gender equal right? Stockholm is the rape capitol of the the West? That’s not good and Sweden used to not have no-go zones, they do or have in recent times. How do you explain that?

    “The Scandinavian countries are indeed worried that a domination culture will eventually take over them and they are dealing with it in a variety of ways. Some are trying to keep immigrants out and others are insisting that the immigrants take on their values.”

    Well Sweden has been doing a poor job with them being in denial and taking in more than they can handle causing this problem. And then when evidence is shown the people are not assimilating as well as they’d hope or not that well as you’d hope. But they kept adding more than they can take or not vetting more despite that and then they joke about the problems, well not good. The one’s taking in less and vetting more are doing the right thing. What Sweden is doing could cause problems even though they are taking in less now, because there is such a high number, the population growth could cause swedish people to be a minority.

    • But compared with the US, in Sweden and women are much more likely to report rape, rape is more likely to be taken seriously by the authorities, and each individual act is counted. All of that makes the reported numbers go up much higher than us. Even if the actual rate is lower.

      • That still means that more rapes are happening than should or I would expect from a more gender equal country unless you factor in, the views of men who are immigrants coming in. I doubt the rates are lower though. It should be, but did you see the numbers that I showed the link to of nordic country sexual assault statistics? Back in 1975 Sweden was only 4 or 5 per 100 thousand? Look how it tracked up. You say well as population increases that might happen. True the numbers just because of more people. But I would think the rate would be the same if same men sharing the more gender equal culture increase.

        But Sweden began immigration wave after 1975. It went up, but not much, but different or later decades were immigrants from different middle east countries but then by 1990s and so it started to really increase. Is it just coincidence that Sweden started this legislation where they take rapes seriously or count each individual act? Or was there actually increase from a decent proportion, and then later this legislation happened? This would make sense for the recent numbers, but I thought this counting of each sexual assaults didn’t come until recent years, so this wouldn’t count or be the reason for the increased numbers trending up before then as I explained right? And what is you explanation of the “no-go zones” in Sweden that didn’t exist before? Is this exaggeration or fabrication of new sources that might be similar to fox news? Or some truth that liberals are trying to ignore?

      • I’m sorry that I don’t know the answers to all of your questions. I do know that while Sweden is one of the most gender-equal societies in the world today, it is not entirely post-patriarchal.

        And the counting of each sexual act of assault (within one assault there could be several acts) was begun in recent years, helping to explain the numbers trending up.

  12. And the counting of each sexual act of assault (within one assault there could be several acts) was begun in recent years, helping to explain the numbers trending up.”

    But they were going up before this legislation. They were going up substantially, which is why it bothers me how you see liberals laughing it off, talk show host liberals laughing it off. Like it’s probably not as bad as portrayed for reasons you stated. But when it goes up like it has for a more gender equal culture, that is alarming and not a laughing matter. Something Sweden shouldn’t have denied and taken serious way before now. They now are just doing things differently, but it could be too later, we’ll see. Hopefully the other nordic countries see from Sweden’s mistake and don’t get too liberal with immigration. You don’t want them to go Trump’s route and try to ban as that’s not right and even makes things worse, but some type of happy medium. Basically in between america’s shutting down and Sweden’s border complely wide open. Something in between the two extremes ha.

    • I can’t find a link now. Can you please send it again so that I can reread it.

      • It was to one of my posts about Sweden. This is the statistics of nordic countries, couting Sweden. http://www.nsfk.org/Portals/0/nordicstats_1950-2000.pdf

        Scroll through to page 34 on the pdf here. Page 33 has the rape statistics. Look at the years. Look at 1975 and before. Before that time was before immigration. But ok numbers went up a little, but look at the years progressed as more time and more immigration. Look at the jump from 8.4 to 24.7 in 1993? Look at the other countries next to Sweden? Norway, Denmark, Finland. They’ve all increased through the years, but not much or nearly the jump like Sweden. Maybe these countries don’t have the legislation in recent times taking in more reports for rape, but considering the netherland countries, not just Sweden are more gender equal than others. I’m sure they take in more rape reports than other countries too. But despite that, look at the numbers or rates in comparison.

  13. My bad I meant page 33 for the link. I thought I deleted page 34 that I wrote, but it’s close enough to page 34, but I believe page 33 in the link that is the page with the rape states for such countries.

    • Could you also resend the link where an expert explained what could be happening here?

      I’ll look for it too.

      • I don’t have one where an expert explains, but journalist talking about the rise of assaults. I don’t know where the one about immigration is not, but it’s most likely easy to find. Where it says 1975 was the beginning when Sweden took on immigrants so then I look at the numbers from stats and you can make the conclusion there especially since it’s easier to conclude since Sweden is one of the more gender equal countries and I read where 80% of the rapes are from foreign men in Sweden.Did you look at the numbers? It doesn’t raise an eye brow? It’s one thing if this was America where it would be harder to conclude if increased rape, because America does have a bit of a rape culture, and white men, black men, you name it just as prone to rape as muslim immigrants, because American culture men inhabit is more conducive for men to take this in, “the bad men/.

        Therefore, treat women as nothing more than objects and do bad things. I mean that’s what I’ve taken in from your posts. Sweden men come from, (not a perfect one, obviously as it’s still has hierarchal qualities as I think every first world country does), but it’s more gender equal. What did you think when seeing the big increase even prior the legislation change in Sweden in recent time?

  14. I think you could already say there is a prejudice for me in regards to Donald. I never liked him, but when he ran for president I had many of the same concerns and thoughts. I still can’t understand why people voted for him, in fact, it kind of baffles me. I know trump supporters, but whenever I ask them, it seems to be an endless pit of non sense-responses. I also know people who do make sense, but the logic is so skewed and flawed. The main reason for support I’ve realized is jobs, but morally it just doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t trust his cabinet or him at all.

    • Yeah, he kept saying he would bring jobs back but without really explaining how. On the other hand Hillary had clear ideas about how to do it. But a lot of people just refused to listen to her for one reason or another.

  15. Read this:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

    I already did, that was one of my links that I posted for my first post about all this.
    I thought Sweden was one of the more gender equal countries but..
    “Though it’s still the case, as Wolf pointed out to the BBC, that women in Sweden report a high number of offences – and only a small number of rapists are punished.” Why are a small number of rapists punished in a more gender equal culture?

    “That in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before.”

    Yeah but you see the stats before 2005 and how much they trended up even before that time. This why they increased probalby to such rate they have since then, but that doesn’t explain the rate going up before that time. Something is going on and it’s not just increased reporting. Otherwise you’d see say a low rate before 2005 and then jump up big, but it was and has steadly jumped up quite a bit through the years especially after 1975, the beginning immigration. I don’t see how you can’t add that two figuring things.

    “This was three times higher than the number of cases in the same year in Sweden’s next-door neighbour, Norway, and twice the rate in the United States and the UK. It was more than 30 times the number in India, which recorded about two offences per 100,000 people.
    On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries.”

    You see they are going from the view point of saying. Sweden is not the most dangerous country with rape or worse than America or India. I don’t think so or didn’t think like India, but the numbers are still too high for what Sweden is, even if counting more rape because more rapes are reported. That to me, from what you expained for more gender neutul countries, that is too high and that’s never good, especially when people turn a blind eye to it and the country has. They’ve finally woke up. If this wasn’t the case, Sweden wouldn’t have recently become a little more stringent on their immigration policy now, when they were very open and liberal with it.

    • This article explains clearly why the stats are as they are.

      • It explains the stats in recent times. It doesn’t explain why they’ve trended up since after 1975, before they started taking in more reports.

        http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/why-are-swedens-feminists-silent-is-criticising-multiculturalism-worse-than-rape/news-story/37842fb194bce120643ceae30fe82c3b

        “Since 2000, there has only been one research report on immigrant crime. It was done in 2006 by Ann-Christine Hjelm from Karlstads University. It emerged that in 2002, 85% of those sentenced to at least two years in prison for rape in 2002 were foreign born or second-generation immigrants. A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men. A new trend reached Sweden with full force over the past few decades: gang rape — virtually unknown before in Swedish criminal history. The number of gang rapes increased spectacularly between 1995 and 2006. Since then no studies of them have been undertaken.”

        It’s not racist, because you factor in the country and culture the men from said country take in and bring with them vs Swedish men. No race is more moral than the other, but the culture they inhabit makes a difference right?

      • I don’t see how this differs from what I sent you? Since Sweden is the only exception despite migrants in all of these places it seems like it must have to do with changes in reporting that were laid out. And I don’t see that the timeline doesn’t work.

  16. the definition of “working class” and similar terms is fuzzy, and narratives like these risk obscuring an important and perhaps counterintuitive fact about Trump’s voters: As compared with most Americans, Trump’s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data. That’s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it’s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It’s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both.

    Trump voters’ median income exceeded the overall statewide median in all 23 states, sometimes narrowly (as in New Hampshire or Missouri) but sometimes substantially. In Florida, for instance, the median household income for Trump voters was about $70,000, compared with $48,000 for the state as a whole. The differences are usually larger in states with substantial non-white populations, as black and Hispanic voters are overwhelmingly Democratic and tend to have lower incomes. In South Carolina, for example, the median Trump supporter had a household income of $72,000, while the median for Clinton supporters was $39,000.

    • Well, the Trump voters I’m talking about are the working-class Trump voters. Specifically, those who said they were voting for Trump because they were tired of elite members of Congress not listening to them — serving the interests of the elite and not working people.

      And there is actually a clear definition of working-class: the social group consisting of people who are employed for wages, especially in manual or industrial work.

      Given that clarification, what do you think of the post?

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