Republicans Crave Chaos?

Republican in chaos

Republican voters backed right-wing libertarians like Rand Paul, Ron Paul and Thomas Massie of Kentucy, NOT because they liked their libertarian ideas. No:

They were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race — and Donald Trump won best in class.

That’s what Rep. Massie says he came to realize about the people who voted him into office.

Conservative journalist Peter Suderman agrees:

Republican voters weren’t voting for any policy outcome. They were voting for chaos. And that, more than anything, is what the party has come to stand for.

So I’m asking my Republican readers: Is this true? GOP voters don’t care about policy, they just want chaos?

And if so, what purpose does that serve?

Trump ran against the elite yet both his tax and health care bills help the elite and harm his working class voters. Why keep supporting him?

Please clue me in. I don’t get it.

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  1. I think Trump ran the smartest campaign we have ever seen. As an outsider, I have watched American politics from a different perspective and have come to realize that this is indeed the case. He catered to the majority of Americans who are middle class by promising them what they desperately needed to hear. They were desperate and therefore took him for his word. But Trump has always been for the rich. Whether he said it or not, you could hear it from the way he promised to affect policy. He didn’t sideline the rich, he was very clear about that. He fed off people’s anger for Hillary and also relied on the fact that people are more sexist than they are racist, by calling for ‘crooked Hillary” campaigns every five minutes.
    And even since he was put in office, he still has the ability to keep these very people supporting him because he is uses their language. He doesn’t sensor himself and he feeds off their hate of change and progress to keep them blinded while he goes about his day.
    But there has been a shift of support in Congress from his fellow republicans because they are now just beginning to see the extent of his crazy. However, nothing will change if more of them don’t speak out against him for most are afraid of his twitter retaliation.

  2. America, the place where your only choice is to vote for the less evil, it’s in fact the problem!
    it works like cancer does, grows, and grow, at the expense of the organism.
    It makes no sense, but it looks we are suffering from political cancer!
    If we do not return to a form of voting where money, and big interests, could be hold in check, our current sickness will end destroying the country, and therefore, with worst choices every time.
    Impunity, and lack of accountability by those in power, are clear indicative, our system does not work anymore, and people doing crazy things, like voting against their best interest, it’s just another symptom of this disease.

    • Yes, too bad we don’t have any real good choices here.

      I’m beginning to wonder if big-money in politics might end up backfiring on Republicans. There’s tension in the Republican Party between the big donors who want Congress to only serve the elite and those who were drawn to Trump. Problem is, most Trump voters aren’t complaining about the continued alliance of government with the elite.

      So nothing will change. The elite will be served, The middle class will get angry, and they will keep blaming people of color and women for their problems so that the elite can keep winning and ignoring the rest of us.

  3. “This latest tax bill that he has been pushing: 50% of the benefit goes to the top 1%. The bottom quintile will see their taxes rise. Why do you keep supporting him instead of pushing him to do he said: help the middle class and not the elite.”

    First, let me say I do not support the bill. Yes, we do need to cut the corporate rate as we are in global economy and must be competitive. Also, ALL tax cuts over the past 20 years have on average made our deficit larger.

    One thing that really irks me is that 40% of Americans pay ZERO income taxes.These taxpayers are in the 30,000 and below bracket. Many of them get the earned income credit. ALL AMERICANS SHOULD PAY SOMETHING INTO THE SYSTEM. ALL OF US.

    So, we can agree that this bill is flawed and I do not support it. There are lots of things in our tax code that I do not like. Much of it benefit middle America. I do not like the unlimited mortgage interest deduction (especially for RVs, Second Homes, Boats, etc). Why should taxpayers be subsidizing people who buy $1 mil homes or $200,000 RVs? It’s wrong.

    As for the break up of the Republican Party…NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! I was thrilled that Mr. Flake is going bye bye. Now we just need to get ride of McCain (nature will take of this), McConnell, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Ben Sasse, “Liddle” Bob Corker.

    Most Americans support the conservative Republican positions. That is why we control 37 of the 50 state legislatures and Governorships. What a cry baby Flake is…where was his criticism of Obama bullshit? The only reason he is “retiring” is because he knows he will be retired next year.

    BTW, now we are learning about HRC and DNC’s Russia collusion. That’s the real collusion! How this woman can look herself in the mirror. Talk about a liar. I am shocked the Washington Post even broke the story! CNN still is not even mentioning the story. Now, maybe she will shut up.

    Watch what happens next. She and the others will lawyer up. When she is asked about all this she will say, “On advice of counsel I cannot answer any questions.” Her pals will abandon her. There will be indictments of the players in this….just watch. Paul Manafort is definitely going to jail. But, he is the one who is probably spilling the beans to save his own ass. But, it was not Trump who was the collaborator with the Russian. It was HRC! She lied to everyone. But, are you really surprised?

    • Big Republican Party donors only want Congress to serve the elite, and the Republican party has a history of doing just that — exactly as Trump described it.

      And so many were drawn to Trump. Problem is, most Trump voters aren’t complaining about the continued alliance of government with the elite.

      So nothing will change. The elite will be served, The middle class will get angry, and they will keep blaming people of color and women for their problems so that the elite can keep winning and ignoring the rest of us.

      • And the most recent data shows that 80% of the tax cut will go to top 1%.

        We will either have exploding deficits that middle-class children will end up paying for so that the rich can get more money.

        Or the tax cut for the rich will be paid for by cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, 401(k)… All things that wealthy Republican funders want to get rid of (elite > US)

      • “Big Republican Party donors only want Congress to serve the elite, and the Republican party has a history of doing just that — exactly as Trump described it.”

        Don’t be naive here. The Democrats get just as much big donor dollars as Republicans. They talk a good game. But in reality it is all rubbish. And NO those big donor dollars they get do NOT go towards things that help working Americans. Wall Street gave the Dems and Obama MORE money than the Republicans in the last two election cycles.

        The elites are both Dems and Republicans. Only HRC pretended NOT be be. But, it was a total farce and the people saw right through it.

        America has become a total partnership between government (led by Dems and Republicans) and the elite Establishment. You saw the Bernie Sanders and his supporters on the Left challenge it while Trump and his supporters challenge it from the Right. Hmmm. I wonder where was Pelosi and Schumer?

        Btw, Wall Street is totally opposed to Trump’s 401K proposal. Trump has also opposed the “carried interest” nonsense of Wall Street. HRC and Obama were quiet. Why? Could it be those BIG Wall Street donations?

      • Yes, both sides get big money which is why the wealthy or more likely to get what they want. It’s the one time that Democrats and Republicans can agree on something.

        That’s why we need to get The corrupting influence of big money out of politics.

        That said, I work with Congress and keep track of how they vote and Democrats actually both for a lot of things that help working Americans: earned income tax credit, low interest loans for college, Pell grants, Infrastructure programs, democrats came up with Social Security and Medicare and affordable care while Republicans fought all that …

  4. Interesting…. Interestingly enough, this statement about voting for chaos resonated with me and certain situation here in Argentina. It is the case of a young, activist young man called Santiago Maldonado who went missing at an indigenous-rights demonstration in Patagonia, Southern Argentina at the start of August. He vanished until his body was found a few days ago, (October 19th)… It was clear that he had been killed by the Police (although results for the autopsy are still no available). But anyway, the body was found in place that had been previously researched, a river specifically… And everyone assumed it was intentionally put in there… The thing is today (Sunday) we were having Legislative Elections here… And somehow many people believe that Maldonado´s case would destabilize the ruling party and that it might have a negative effect when it comes to the results. It was quite the contrary.
    Maybe, you have experienced this in USA with the War against Drugs (headed by Rudy Giuliani, among others)… And maybe even the War on Terrorism during Bush´s times… to create a “demon”, to create chaos, in order to regulate the own system and perpetuate it. I think it is political strategy. I still remember House on Cards´take on the last issue. This very short clip is epic by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnT3JUmwXc
    Love & best wishes, dear Georgia. 😉

  5. They voted for chaos and what they got was dysfunction.

  6. I’m proudly on the left but my sister is on the right and has told me exactly why she voted for Trump. She does not want to see whites lose control of our country — yes, she is a white supremacist. If minorities take over she doesn’t care, in fact wants, everything destroyed (her words). She has taken on the behavior of a nihilist. Nihilism and chaos kind of go hand in hand.

    • Based on the answers I’m getting it seems that cultural issues — keeping nonwhite people, non-Americans – out of the country is more important than economic well-being.

      Republicans have a history of helping the rich and ignoring the middle class and poor and then distracting by using cultural issues: blaming blacks, Hispanics, women for their problems. And it looks like it still working.

  7. We don’t support chaos. We want really change in America. Not the bullshit HRC and Mr. Hope and Change were all about. Sometimes change is not always “orderly.” President Trump is a disrupter. That’s a good thing for America.

    The Left wants to blow EVERYTHING up! They want to call women and men “social constructs.” Anyone who does not share their world view is a homophobe, racist, or some other name. All the chaos that has been fostered in America has been done by the Left. We are just pushing back and the Left cannot stand it.

    “Trump ran against the elite yet both his tax and health care bills help the elite and harm his working class voters. Why keep supporting him?”

    You are totally missing the point here. If he was so Pro Elite then why does the elites oppose him. Even within the Republican Party, the Establishment wing (Mitch McConnell) destest him.

    Those who voted for Trump do indeed care about policy. We care that our nation is no longer being taken advantage of by the rest of the wold with all these bs trade agreements and treaties. We want a policy that firmly states who can come here as opposed to just allowing people to come here without being legal. We say NO to sanctuary cities. We say NO to absurd globalization. These are all policies. How is this “chaos?”

    Btw, why don’t you do a piece on your liberal feminists men (Harvey Weinsteins of the world etc)? Do they really treat women better than traditional non-feminist men? Or are they just a farce? Hypocrites?

    • The elite opposed him because his rhetoric seemed to be against them.

      Once he got the nomination they came to two conclusions:

      1) they believed they could control him — and so far they have been able to

      Trump’s base votes for him because he says he will help the middle class, not the elite and then:

      * Healthcare was really a tax break for the rich paid for by healthcare cuts to ordinary Americans, Mostly hurting the Trump base. One third of both Kentucky and West Virginia depend on the Medicaid expansion

      * Tax policy: 80% of the cuts go to the wealthy. They will eventually be paid for by cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, disability, unemployment… Things that help the middle class!

      2) he nominated Mike Pence for VP and told him that he would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy while Trump was “Making America great again” (thru rallies and rhetoric?) At least that’s the job he offered to John Kasich –who turned him down — and likely made the same deal with Pence. Pence was the Koch brothers’ (very elite) first choice for president in 2012. The Koch brothers claimed to be against the Trump nomination yet David Koch was at the celebratory party the night of the election.

      McConnell doesn’t like Trump because even though Trump is completely willing to sign legislation that helps the elite — and Bannon was threatening people if they didn’t back the elite-helping legislation — Trump does weird tweets and stuff that doesn’t help to pass the legislation.

      On immigration yes you need to make sure that terrorists aren’t coming in but jobs will eventually be lost to automation and the truth is that when everyone else is using cheap labor the United States can’t compete unless they do it too. So we need some sort of legislation that creates jobs in America and we will probably need to tax the rich at a higher rate in order to pay for those jobs. But almost all of the gains of the last 40 years have gone to the elite — partly because of off-shoring jobs — so they can afford it.

      I absolutely detest Harvey Weinstein. I just don’t have anything to say that everyone else hasn’t already said. I don’t have a new angle on it.

      • “The elite opposed him because his rhetoric seemed to be against them.”

        PRECISELY…

        They are still against him. The only people who are FOR him are the 60+ mil who voted and still support him.

        Our system is full of cronyism. it’s on the Left. It’s on the Right. It’s destroying the country. So, to me my country is more important than this other silly issues (especially feminism, gays, multiculturalism, transgender stuff).

        Did Obama ever tweet out how he was not going to let insurance co make a fortune? Or how drug companies were ripping us off? NO. Why? He, like HRC, are just Establishment clowns masquerading as champions of the middle class. People have had enough of this!

        But, somehow people like HRC just don’t get it! She thinks, like a lot women, how can they not love me! I am the greatest thing since sliced bread. They actually believe it! Most Democrat politicians have this mentality. They truly believe they are on the moral high ground. Nothing could be further from the truth. The average America now gets this. When these American rebuke these sort of politicians, these politicians start calling them dumb, ignorant, “deplorables”, blah blah. It’s really sad.

        You arguments are typical of most leftist politicians. But here is the thing: look at the facts. You had a Democrat president for 8 years. You had a Democrat Congress for 4 years. Did the average American see an improvement in his or her socioeconomic welfare? No.

        When I see pieces like this where people like yourself chastise and deride ordinary Americans, I just laugh. Why? Because, I know 2018 is going to be so much sweeter. Why can’t you just respect the way people vote and offer them something better? What sense does it make to bitch, deride, and castigate people for how they decided to vote? GO OUT AND GIVE THEM A REASON TO VOTE FOR YOU.

        Same thing for feminist in their attacks on the majority of White women who voted for Trump. These women knew HRC was a two faced, double talking, sleazy, corrupt liar. Women know other women. All these is doing is rubbing these women the wrong way. Look at HRC going around the world blaming everyone. Even had the never to say that husbands told their wives not to vote for her. This is really insulting to LOTS of women, even some who did vote for her.

        Stop whining about how people voted. Accept how they voted. Put together a plan to get them to vote for your program. It’s really that simple. But, all people you have to offer is just criticizing Trump and censoring/suppressing people who disagree with you.

        I don’t crave chaos. But I truly despise the status quo and the elites who are destroying America.

      • The root problem is money in politics.

        Politicians who refuse to play the $ game almost always lose because most voters don’t pay attention to the issues and vote based on advertising. Write down the line almost always the politician who spends the most wins. So you can choose not to play the game and then you lose. When Hillary try to create Hillarycare she didn’t consult Insurance companies and so they spent money against her both in advertising and campaign contributions. So Obama knew that he had to work with insurance or he wouldn’t get anything passed.

        That said every Republican appointed Supreme Court Justice has voted to keep money in politics and every Democratic appointed Supreme Court Justice has voted to stop money in politics.

        Trump put someone on the Supreme Court who has a history of supporting big money in politics. Hillary wouldn’t have done that. If you don’t like the system vote Democratic.

        Otherwise, we only had a Democratic Congress for two years at the most and they brought us close to Universal insurance, saving a lot of families a lot of money. Yes a few families ended up paying more and the bipartisan fix that was just proposed would fix the problem. But Paul Ryan said he wouldn’t support it because he’s a libertarian funders want big tax cuts for the rich paid for by healthcare cards for everyone else.

        When a president takes office he or she only has a short time to get major legislation passed and tends to focus on just one issue. Obama chose to Focus on health care which made it much more affordable to many more people. About 1/3 of both Kentucky and West Virginia are dependent on Obamacare. They just don’t realize it. But if Republicans take it away from them they will know who took it away from them. That’s why the Republican Congress can’t pass a repeal.

        When Trump was elected I was hoping that at least his voters would push him to do legislation that actually helped them instead of the elite. Instead, Trump has promoted legislation that helps the elite and hurts the middle class and not a peep from his populist supporters. It’s so frustrating! I have a hard time understanding it. The Republican Congress had been moving toward helping the middle class until they saw that Trump supporters didn’t actually seem to care. So they don’t either. So they will keep on helping the elite and hurting the middle class and distracting working class Republican voters with cultural issues like blaming Mexicans, women, blacks…

      • “So you can choose not to play the game and then you lose.”

        This is not true…maybe for Dems it is..

        Remember Eric Cantor? He was a Republican Congressman from Virginia who also became House Majority Leader in 2011. Well, in 2014 he was defeated by an economics professor who was a novice to politics. He did not spend millions.

        So, for us Republicans who have brains, this was a shot across the bow. The Tea Party for Establishment Republicans should have sounded alarm bells. So, I was NOT at all surprised with Donald Trump winning the nomination. I voted for him.

        When are Democrats going to wake up and understand this?: The American people are flat out sick and disgusted of elite/establishment politicians. No one represented the Establishment more than HRC.

        You can win in politics with tons of money. We are seeing this every year in politics. You will continue to see it. Those people and politicians who see this will win more and more elections. The Democrats are going to be in for big rude awakening in 2018. Just watch!!!

        Of the two parties, the Democrats are the most entrenched and reactionary. They are now the standard bearer of Establishment. You say you are for the middle class, yet you show utter contempt for working class Americans. You devalue them with your constant put downs of people like those who live in the heartland. They are derided.

        America must become a more free and open society for it to continue to thrive. Democrats and their policies, be it censorship, excessive regulation, telling people they cannot buy sugary soft drinks, not allowing for minorities to enter certain businesses (Uber) to better their lives since you are in bed with taxi cos…..All of these things SHOW ordinary Americans who you represent. And it is NOT working and middle class Americans.

        “……..distracting working class Republican voters with cultural issues like blaming Mexicans, women, blacks…”

        Laughable. Democrats are the champions of cultural issues. The revolt over these issues are NOT the issues in and of themselves. It is the fact that we Americans, as a free people, are no longer able to live free due to social justice warriors, the liberal elite who label people who morally oppose homosexuality as homophobes, or have disdain for the transgender nonsense…etc. This what the backlash is about.

        We do not want to told what we should like and/or dislike. We can decide this on our own. Just leave us the hell alone. If I like guns, it is no business of yours! If I don’t like gay marriage or homosexuality, it is no business of yours! It is the left that has made life miserable for the silent majority of Americans. But, the left does not get it. It is because of your arrogance and high mindedness.

        Yes, freedom and liberty are important to us. How can I allow a group of people who are morally bankrupt and have shown hypocrisy beyond belief (Hollywood and Harvey Weinstein) to tell me how to think? It’s bullshit. The left in America are the real fascists. They are borderline communists in my opinion.

        If you look at the liberal elite, they exhibit many of the social elements as the conservative elite in terms of how they live. For example, around 70%-80% are married with high incomes and STABLE families. While the conservative elite will openly embrace religion and eschew out -of- wedlock childbirth, the liberal elite will then turn around and oppose religion and endorse single motherhood. Some will even champion it! Knowing full damn well it is bad for children and society. Hypocrisy pure and simple.

        So, like HRC, you are two faced and being hypocritical. To make matters worse, the liberal elite will isolate themselves from the same people whom they say they defend. Hell, I look at my liberal White neighbors who detest Trump. They too are millionaires, doctors, college deans and professors living elite lifestyles. Look at President Obama and HRC….never once have you heard them tell Black Americans that their choices and lifestyles are the source of the majority of their problems. Never once have they said to poor people “I am your best example. You need to get a good education and focus on creating a stable family” Instead, they use these people and sell them this raw bill of goods just to get their votes while simultaneously saying that conservative White people who live just like them are racist, homophobes, bigots, and “deplorables.” Is is truly despicable!

        I tell Black people everyday, “White liberals are not your friends. Nor are White Republicans your enemies. White liberals today are coming for Trump. Tomorrow they will come for you!” They will come for any one else who dares to step off their bullshit plantation. I firmly believe this because this is how totalitarianism and fascism starts. When Van Jones spoke positively about Trump’s State of Union speech look at how the White liberal elite attacked him. He was sent to the woodshed.

        So, hell no. Myself and others who love America and its freedoms and liberty will fight against this garbage even if it means supporting policies that make the rich even richer. It is small price to pay.

      • Yes, the Democrats are concerned with cultural issues because they believe in the equality of everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation… But the Democrats don’t use it as a weapon to distract from only helping the elite.

        I know this because I meet with members of Congress of both parties and I keep track of their voting records in order to thank them or push them. Democrats consistently vote to help working families: Child tax credit, Earned income tax credit, a living wage…

        And their presidential candidates appoint Supreme Court justices who are against big money in politics that leave politicians so often aligning only with the elite. All of the republican appointees have voted to bolster big money in politics. I think they may end up shooting themselves in the foot as the Republican Party potentially splits in two.

        What I don’t understand and find frustrating is republicans who stand with Trump even when he supports major legislation in tax and healthcare that hurts his base most of all, and only helps the elite. This latest tax bill that he has been pushing: 50% of the benefit goes to the top 1%. The bottom quintile will see their taxes rise. Why do you keep supporting him instead of pushing him to do he said: help the middle class and not the elite.

  8. You are not alone in your confusion – but isn’t that their goal? 😉

    • Hoping some GOP can help explain. Makes no sense to me.

      Trump’s base votes for him because he says he will help the middle class, not the elite and then:

      * Healthcare was really a tax break for the rich paid for by healthcare cuts to ordinary Americans, Mostly hurting the Trump base. One third of both Kentucky and West Virginia depend on the Medicaid expansion

      * tax policy: 80% of the cuts go to the wealthy. They will eventually be paid for by cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, disability, unemployment… Things that help the middle class!

  9. So a leftist commentator doesn’t “get” the right. News at 11.

    Meanwhile the left panders to Antifa, who are literally communists who want chaos to bring down the system to usher in the communist utopia/nightmare.

    Oh no, but it’s the Trump supporters who supposed want chaos. Because it would be chaotic if immigration law was enforced, and conservative values were in the Whitehouse. Because conservatism is sooo radical and edgy.

    • Is the leftist commentator supposed to be me or the people I quoted, who are all on the right?

      The confusion comes because

      1) many people on the right voted for libertarians but then don’t want the libertarians to do what libertarians do: tax cuts for the rich and cutting programs for the middle-class

      2) Trump’s base votes for him because he says he will help the middle class, not the elite and then:

      * Healthcare was really a tax break for the rich paid for by healthcare cuts to ordinary Americans, Mostly hurting the Trump base. One third of both Kentucky and West Virginia depend on the Medicaid expansion

      * tax policy: 80% of the cuts go to the wealthy. They will eventually be paid for by cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, disability, unemployment… Things that help the middle class!

      So some come to the conclusion that what the base really wants is just chaos.

      I can’t figure out why the base keeps supporting him when he promised to help ordinary people instead of the elite yet he is doing he opposite. If you can explain this I would be curious to hear how this makes sense to you.

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