Trump Voters (Unwittingly?) Mainstreaming Racism

Photo shared on Facebook that questions who’s more wrong: racists who want to kill and who have killed? Or people against racism.

I never thought any friends of mine would defend Nazis.

Now, by “friends” I’m talking about Facebook friends who I haven’t actually met in person.

I “met” these folks when they responded to posts I made during the 2016 Presidential race. They were Trump supporters and I engaged because I was trying to figure out why they liked him.

The one thing we did agree on is that our government serves the interests of the elite over ordinary citizens.

But after last weekend’s clash between racists and anti-racists in Charlottesville, Virginia my Facebook feed contained posts that said, basically:

The media’s ignoring violence done by the left.

Making racism safe again?

I can’t help but wonder if someone on the alt-right is encouraging this line of thought in order to make racism seem both acceptable and widespread.

After all Steve Bannon is obsessed with “The Fourth Turning” (1997) by two amateur historians who claim the world faces a major crises every 80 years… and who predict a racist future:

If you belong to a racial or ethnic minority, brace for a nativist backlash from an assertive (and possibly authoritarian) majority.

FoxNews: Neo-Nazi praise for Trump.

At least some of these folks don’t seem to see themselves as racist. As one told me:

I completely and unequivocally oppose all racist thoughts, speech, images, videos, film or any other media or spoken word, but will defend everyones First Amendment rights, even if it is to be ignorant.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. But I responded:

I suspect you see yourself as defending Trump and not as promoting racism, but defending the KKK and Neo-Nazis does, in fact, support racists.

I worry that it works to harbor domestic terrorism and to mainstream racism.

These folks are defending Nazis/KKK by equating them to anti-racists — or worse, saying they aren’t even as bad as anti-racists:

“Oh, Nazi’s/KKK are just the same as the anti-racists.” Even though Nazi’s/KKK promote killing (Jews, blacks, non-protestants…) and have killed — running a car into a crowd of anti-racists.

Yes, that is defending racism.

So sad that some folks are mainstreaming racism, whether they realize it or not.

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Neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer praises Trump’s comments on #Charlottesville 

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  1. An interesting quote from former white nationalist, R. Derek Black (whose last name is ironic):

    “The most effective tactics for white nationalists are to associate American history with themselves and to suggest that the collective efforts to turn away from our white supremacist past are the same as abandoning American culture.”

  2. I learned something new unless it’s false, you probably know better or can clarify if it’s true or not or fear mongering from Fox news. But I found the violence from the nationalists and nazis and that group repulsive. And the murder horrible that happened where 2 cops and a girl died from being driven through. So I definitely do think the actions and what such people represent is worse and the confederate flag represents racism. I learned though that this was not simply taking down confederate flags, but liberals apparently wanting and going through to take down historical statues all across the southern states or US? If that’s the case as far as the statues, that’s not right. They are still part of history whether people like it or not. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, should we take statues down of them anywhere in the US too?

    • Yes, it’s statues. Here’s my thoughts:

      1) These statues weren’t put in place right after the Civil War, they were put in place after blacks got more rights. Maybe after the 1964 Civil Rights Act. And they were put there to remind blacks every time they walked passed them that the South had fought to keep them in slavery. So the reason for putting them up is different from the reason we installed the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial

      2) Washington and Jefferson have their faults but they were the founders of this country. Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis we’re fighting to destroy the country. They were traitors.

      Given that if they want to keep the statues I don’t have a problem with putting them in a museum as a mark of our history but they shouldn’t be in public places reminding everyone of how hard the South fought to keep blacks enslaved.

      Also interesting that it was the KKK and neo-Nazis who are fighting so hard to keep the statues. That tells you something right there.

      • George Washington was a traitor too. Can we not acknowledge a certain nobility in someone defending their homeland, just because history went the other way?

        George Washington: traitor to his country, owned slaves.
        Robert E Lee: traitor to his country, owned slaves, HOWEVER did speak out against slavery.

        Why is General Lee not given the pass that George Washington was?

      • George Washington was a traitor to England, not to America.

        He did hold slaves and that is an unfortunate but it is not why we celebrate him. We celebrate him for founding our country.

        Members of the confederacy were both traitors and celebrated for trying to sustain slavery.

  3. Punch a white nationalist is ok right? Because some guy 70 years ago did bad stuff.

    So it’s ok to punch a Muslim right? Same twisted leftist logic.

    • It’s not okay to punch anyone.

      But defending racists, who promote the lynching of blacks and putting Jews in ovens; and equating anti-racists and white supremacists is an attempt to mainstream racism. And that is wrong.

  4. How many times can the Left call Trump voters racist or deplorable. It didn’t work in the election and it doesn’t work now, if you note the various election results since the Presidential election.

    It seems the Left thinks people who voted for Trump like him. Could it be that they were really voting against failed Leftist policies.

    The Left, the media and most of the Republican party are the establishment. Again, you don’t need a weather man to tell you which way the wind is blowing, Bernie or Trump; both are anti-establishment, except Bernie gave up the battle sort of went with Hillary.

    And some of you will simply dismiss me as a typical Trump supporter, who voted twice for President Obama. Hey, you might be right (smile).

    • If it walks like a duck…

      It’s not all Trump voters (I know people who voted for Trump who aren’t racist), but everyone who has been defending the neo-Nazis and who has tried to equate racists and non-racists do you happen to be Trump voters.

      Equating racists and non-racists, and defending KKK and neo-Nazis, is deplorable.

      I’m not sure what you mean by “it won’t work.” It won’t work to do what? It won’t work to help Trump supporters to see how some of them are helping to mainstream racism? You may be right. But one can try.

      Did you see this quote from the post “The one thing we (me and Trump supporters) did agree on is that our government serves the interests of the elite over ordinary citizens.”

      But that isn’t caused by left-leaning policies it is caused by right-leaning policies.

      America experienced a great expansion of the middle-class when we were the most left-leaning: FDR through Eisenhower through Nixon and through Carter.

      Details here:

      Mostly due to Republican politics we have seen a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top. (due to things like legal bribery, union busting, not raising the minimum wage, lower tax cuts for the wealthy and tax shelters…)

      But Republicans are good at blaming women and people of color for the problems blue-collar men face. I’ve written more on that in posts I’ll link to below.

      But because a lot of people don’t understand the real cause of their problems they were hoping that Trump would be the Messiah they were looking for. He can be good at saying what he thinks people want to hear. But he has no idea how to govern in the political world. Or to even be politic.

      Many people were desperate enough to vote for him at the last minute hoping he would be what he said. I think they’re learning that he is not — like I said, he only has about 34% approval in this country.

      Vote to Help the Rich, Hurt Yourself
      https://broadblogs.com/2012/11/02/vote-to-help-the-rich-hurt-yourself/
      Why Fight Against Your Interests?
      https://broadblogs.com/2015/06/12/why-fight-against-your-interests/
      Vote to Lower Your Wages
      https://broadblogs.com/2014/10/31/vote-to-lower-your-wages/
      No Longer Blinded by the Right
      https://broadblogs.com/2012/10/26/no-longer-blinded-by-the-right/

      Big Money Drowns Out Citizen Speech
      https://broadblogs.com/2016/11/04/big-money-drowns-out-citizen-speech/

  5. Trump’s council of top corporate leaders disbanded after he equated white nationalist hate groups with the protesters opposing them.

  6. When any oppressed group, POC or women, start to gain power there is a backlash. This is no different.

    • That’s true. There seems to be two steps forward and one step back. President Obama was two steps forward and this reaction is one step back.

      Seems like this is hurting the Republican brand. Trumps favorable’s were down to 34% over the weekend (Fri-Sun) and many of the people who were polled on that hadn’t heard about his reaction supporting neo-Nazis and the KKK. And some people will probably be for him despite that because of other things like the hope for tax cuts — which doesn’t make Republicans look too good. We’ll see what happens.

      • “Seems like this is hurting the Republican brand.”

        Laughable…How many elections have the Dems won since Nov 8th? Zippy.

        How many state legislatures do Republicans have? How many Governorships? Shall I continue?

        The heartland of America clearly see Democrats for who they are: they despise ordinary Americans.

        As for the two steps forward under Obama..what a joke.

      • You should read Dark Money. Unless you are actually aligned with them and already know this and it works in your interest.

        Most Americans are not that interested in politics and they are too busy just trying to survive to pay attention to the ins and outs. As a result money in politics is hugely persuasive. Wealthy interests that only care about money for themselves have put a tremendous amount of money into Think tanks and political campaigning — it’s a good return on investment.

        These moneyed interests are really good at manipulating people into voting against their interests and in the interest of the wealthy. See the links I sent you in another comment for more info.

        That’s why Republicans win so much. Most people don’t pay attention except for the advertising. And these guys are really good at advertising, And lying if it will get you to vote for them.

        Once they got power –just in time for the 2010 census — they then gerrymandered to create safe seats.

        Et voila! The Republicans have overtaken most of our elected offices. Even as they –as Trump said correctly — only advance the interests of the elite.

    • Where ANY group of people feel they are being marginalized or ridiculed and blamed, it is only human for that group or individual to fight back.

      The hypocrisy of liberals and the left is they always tout themselves as being morally superior. It is BIG lie of course.

      If you are a white male and you pay the majority of income taxes, you subsidize lazy people, bankroll the welfare state, then see how you are mocked in TV ads, blamed for the ills of society, how would you feel?

      Look at Kathy Griffin. She does something stupid, then says white men are the blame. But, I am willing to bet you a white man signs her checks.

      Our goal must be a unity of ideas. Identity politics has become a scourge and stain to America’s progress. Why? It causes division. But, you have one party that cannot win anything unless it plays to special groups, like women and feminist, Black, Hispanics, gays…..”protected classes.” How about having a message for ALL Americans?

      • For a black man you are oddly attuned to the white male over others, including over black men.

        The core problem: Mostly due to Republican politics we have seen a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top. (due to things like legal bribery (huge campaign contributions) which leads to policy like this: union busting, outsourcing, off-shoring, automation, not raising the minimum wage, pulling back the Earning Income Tax Credit, lower taxes for the wealthy and tax shelters for them too. (Some of that is political and some not — like the automation and globalization — but the gov could do more to relieve the stress of the transition — but hands-off Republicans don’t want that!)

        Trump trumpeted this fact: the Republican elite only help the elite!

        Against this, Republicans are good at blaming women and people of color for the problems working men face. I’ve written more on that in posts I link to below.

        Vote to Help the Rich, Hurt Yourself
        https://broadblogs.com/2012/11/02/vote-to-help-the-rich-hurt-yourself/
        Why Fight Against Your Interests?
        https://broadblogs.com/2015/06/12/why-fight-against-your-interests/
        Vote to Lower Your Wages
        https://broadblogs.com/2014/10/31/vote-to-lower-your-wages/
        No Longer Blinded by the Right
        https://broadblogs.com/2012/10/26/no-longer-blinded-by-the-right/

        Big Money Drowns Out Citizen Speech
        https://broadblogs.com/2016/11/04/big-money-drowns-out-citizen-speech/

      • “For a black man you are oddly attuned to the white male over others, including over black men.”

        I want a better America. Remember that America where people are judged based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin? Maybe you have forgotten. I care about ALL Americans. ALL.

        Today we have a country divided because of multiculturalism advanced by a party that cannot win elections without pitting races and sexes against one another.

      • All of the people on the left I know want what is good for people of every gender and color. It is the right that works to divide and conquer the working class (So that working-class whites will vote for tax cuts for billionaires and fight against affordable care for the middle class) by creating and appealing to racism and sexism. Remember the Southern Strategy? And what happened in Charlottesville reflects the same thing. Plus Trump’s reaction to it.

  7. I am not an American, but the press does not seem to have anything good to say about your president. I don’t think your president has a mandate to do anything worthwhile during his tenure. He seems reactionary and acts like a lost puppy. No offence… Obama was so much more eloquent, perhaps one of the best presidents America had

  8. It also seems important to point out that a large proportion of those in “Unite the Right” who turned up to Charlottesville were NOT racists. Don’t believe me? Watch this video:

    They came to support the constitution and free speech.

    • I’ll post this because you and the video are an example of what I was talking about. Except that the Facebook friends I’m talking about here actually condemn racism/white supremacy, but you and the guys in this video don’t.

      These guys, and you, suggest that normal, decent people are willing to protest alongside Nazis and KKK. That’s an attempt to mainstream racism, and telling a lie.

      No one is contending the First Amendment. But the other side (the left) has a right to protest Nazi/KKK hateful speech, too.

      This video does not establish what you say it does. And I noticed that the guy center stage has a big skull on his shirt — ‘nuf said.

      • Were not communists also protesting along side Martin Luther King in the 60s?

      • There is no comparison to communists, who say “from each according to their ability to each according to their need” (a system that doesn’t work so well in the real world) and KKK/Nazis who say that white males are superior to everyone else and for whom killing has been a key part of their agenda: lynching and genocide.

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