Liberal Outrage = Trump Success?

West Virginia Trump supporters

A number of Trump supporters read my blog and I’m curious about your thoughts on a question I have.

After Trump’s election I had hoped that he would at least help the working class, as promised.

Yet he has sided with the elite on every major issue:

Trumpcare helps rich, hurts Trump voters

When Trumpcare is fully in place in 2022 Trump voters will lose and Clinton voters will win, economically.

Older working-class voters — core Trump backers — will pay more for healthcare in almost every part of the country.

And Nate Cohn of “The Upshot” found that the hardest hit supported Trump by a margin of 59% to 36%.

West Virginia will be one of the biggest losers. Trump won the state 68% to Clinton’s 26% even though Obamacare provided 172,000 West Virginians with insurance they had never had before.

Meanwhile, under Trumpcare those with lower incomes will pay higher taxes. The bottom two-fifths of the population will pay around $160 more per year, says the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

But the top 1%, with income over $770,000 will see a tax cut of about $37,220.

The top 0.1%, making $4 million-plus will have tax reductions of around $207,240 per year.

And the top 400 households — with incomes over $300 million — will see tax cuts of $7 million each year.

This windfall for the rich will be offset by Medicaid cuts that hurt the working poor and lower paid workers who can’t get healthcare through their employers.

Trump Tax plan 

While Trumpcare redistributes wealth from lower-paid workers to the wealthy, the rich get even more with Trump’s tax plan.

Most Trump voters will get very little tax relief. But repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax, which prevents the wealthy from escaping all taxes via loopholes, will save Trump a lot of money. The repeal would have saved him $25-$30 million in the one year we have information on his tax returns.

And repeal of the estate tax helps almost no one but the extremely wealthy. Trump wins. Most of us lose.

Wall Street > Main Street

Once Trump took office he filled his administration with Goldman Sachs executives. Even after complaining for months that Hillary Clinton had ties to Wall Street.

And one of his first executive orders was repealing Wall Street regulations that had sought to shield Main Street from Wall Street excesses. Expect Main Street to bail out Wall Street again.

Liberals hate him, so he’s doing something right?

Trump’s betrayal of workers has got us liberals up in arms.

Yet our outrage boosts Trump support among working-class Trumpeters.

As conservative Charlie Sykes put it:

If liberals hate him Trump must be doing something right.

My question to middle-class Trump backers

Why aren’t you upset that Trump aligns with the elite — and his own economic interests — over you?

Why don’t you push him to do what he promised instead of defend him when he betrays you?

It just encourages him.

Source: Thomas Edsall, “Republicans Don’t Feel Your Pain” New York Times

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  1. I’ll tell you why. Because ordinary people are more mad at the lunacy of the identity politics of the left, the anti-white male sexism and racism, the fantasy mythology of “patriarchy”, the pandering to tiny self interested minority groups and so on and so forth, than they are mad at the economic situation. Not even a rational thinking communist can countenance this stuff. In fact, if you look at a lot of people who are loudly speaking out against this stuff, a lot of them self-identify as politically left, and yet prefer Trump to the traditional left. Between being poor and free versus being stupid with a couple of dollars in their pocket, they vote for poor and free.

    • What you describe is elite strategy to redistribute money from the working class to the wealthiest and then scapegoat women and minorities.

      Since Reagan was elected and we moved hard-right, nearly all of the gains of the last 40 years have gone to the top 1%.

      Divide and conquer the working class. It’s working like a charm.

      • “What you describe is elite strategy to redistribute money from the working class to the wealthiest and then scapegoat women and minorities.”

        No. No, no, no no no.

        The elites may have a strategy to redistribute money to themselves, but what I was describing was the left wing strategy that is spectacularly backfiring, and will keep Republicans in the whitehouse for a generation. The fact that you didn’t even understand what I just told you, let along take it on board is all the evidence needed for that.

        One more time for the hard of hearing: Real America won’t have a bar of identity politics and anti-white racism and anti-male sexism. If you want to keep pushing this nonsense and the whole patriarchy myth, then kiss goodbye to the Democrat party in the same way that Britain is kissing goodbye to the utterly irrelevant Labor party, who will be obliterated on June 8.

        Here is what is wrong with the Democrat party neatly crystallised in a 3 minute video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCeoC7P7Wmo “My job [ in the Democrat party ] is to shut white people down.”. Yup. You want to shut white people down? fine, don’t expect them to vote for you. 53% of white women voted for Trump. But you still don’t get it. If you think this video makes sense, you are part of the identity politics problem.

      • No, no, no, no.

        White male Trump supporters like you voted for him because they perceive Democrats as taking away their rights and giving them to women and minorities. But that’s not what’s happening. I was actually going to write a post on this topic (Inspired by your comment) but I will give you a quick sneak preview.

        Underprivileged people tend to be very aware of their underprivilege because they are constantly being blocked. But privileged people don’t tend to be aware of their privilege because nothing is blocking them and so things – their privilege – just seems natural and normal. And then when you increase equality for women and minorities, many white men perceive that as taking their rights away, even though in reality we are just increasing equality so that white males have less privilege.

        Women and minorities still have less status and power than white men do on average. If you send out a resume with what looks like a black name or a woman’s name – compared with a white name or a male name, white males are much more likely to be hired, and for better jobs with better pay.

        If you compare the status and pay of women and minorities with that of white males, you will see that white males don’t need as much education to do as well or much better than women and minorities. Of white working class male with a criminal record tends to make more money than a black male with no criminal record and higher education.

        The Democratic Party does try to increase equality between women, minorities, and white males. They are not trying to give women and minorities more rights and privileges. It just seems that way to people who see privilege as “normal.”

        But wealthy elite’s promote the view that you and many others have and use it in their interests. While white working-class men have better jobs and make more money than white working-class women or minorities, the latter are blamed by wealthy elites when the rich redistribute money from the middle class to themselves. Like Trump policy does, as I described in this post.

        The main reason why white working-class males are suffering is because we are automating most jobs, offshoring jobs, outsourcing jobs, Union busting, and refusing to raise the minimum-wage – which pressures pay increases for everyone. And the wealthy get a better tax deal. Lower tax rates like 15% on investment income, or loopholes so they pay nothing.

        It’s all a huge redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy elite.

        To distract white working-class males from this they blame women and minorities for the struggles white working-class men face. It works like a charm. The working class is divided and conquered. Almost all of the gains of the last 40 years go to the top 1% while the working class blame each other.

        Otherwise, you and others have brought up a number of points where you say that women are better off than men. Yet if we had gender equality none of those would be a problem.

        For instance, white middle aged males have the highest suicide rate. That’s because we rank white men and masculinity above everyone else. And we give them more ability to succeed. Where there are high expectations, there is more pressure and further to fall. If a woman or a minority doesn’t become super successful in life they don’t feel so bad about themselves because the expectations are low. But white males face very high expectations because of the privileges they are given. It’s often impossible to meet those high expectations. Men feel bad about themselves and commit suicide.

        And because we associate weakness and emotions with women, men who are struggling with their difficult situation feel like they can’t admit that they feel weak, they can’t get in touch with their emotions. And so instead of seeking psychological help, they kill themselves. Or they take out their anger on Everyone else through abuse to try to make themselves feel superior – the way men are “supposed to feel.” That hurts everyone.

        Or, women are more likely to get custody of their children in divorce. But that’s because women are more likely to sacrifice their careers for their children. In deciding custody judges look at the best interest of the child. Because mom has made more sacrifices to her career to stay with her children, quitting work or going part time or taking a lower status job so that she can be home more of the time, the children are typically more bonded to their mom and the judge gives her custody. If men want equal custody they should make equal sacrifices for their children.

        I could go on with many more examples…

      • “White male Trump supporters like you voted for him because they perceive Democrats as taking away their rights and giving them to women and minorities.”

        While there some Whites who feel this way, the majority of Whites simply do not like being labeled as being bad or “privileged” or evil just because they are White. I am not White and I get annoyed with this bullshit. So, if I was White AND paying the majority of taxes in America (White men pay the most), I would be pissed too!!!!

        But, like most people on the Left, you see things through these very narrow lenses. Like HRC who blamed misogyny, the Russians, James Comey, and God knows whom else, you cannot come to grip with reality.

        “But privileged people don’t tend to be aware of their privilege because nothing is blocking them and so things – their privilege – just seems natural and normal.”

        Just how the hell is someone who is unemployed or seen their job prospect dim over the past decades privileged? Why is this nonsense even relevant to AMERICA? Democrats love these divisive issues. People are sick of hearing about it. It is irrelevant!!!

        “The main reason why white working-class males are suffering is because we are automating most jobs, offshoring jobs, outsourcing jobs, Union busting, and refusing to raise the minimum-wage – which pressures pay increases for everyone. And the wealthy get a better tax deal. Lower tax rates like 15% on investment income, or loopholes so they pay nothing.”

        OK. Let’s assume for the sake of argument you are right. Fact #1: Under 8 years of President Obama the plight of working class America diminished. Record numbers in poverty. Record numbers on food stamps. WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS PROPOSING TO REVERSE THIS? NOTHING!!!!

        All you Democrats are out here doing is trying to unseat a lawfully elected president who has been in office less than 6 months. Why? Because you cannot accept the fact that people did not vote for your lousy candidate.

        All you are doing is acting like overly emotional knuckleheads. All you are saying is the same old nonsense that has cost you the US House, the US Senate, and the Presidency. All you mouth to people is this rubbish about rape culture, patriarchy, white supremacy, micro aggressions, yada yada yada.

        In the heartland of America, no one really cares about this silly crap. In rural Georgia where I grew up and my family resides, they care about jobs, their children having good jobs, the price of food, the cost of living their lives. They are living paycheck to paycheck. They are NOT privileged. Donald Trump spoke to those people. HRC did not. President Obama cared more about his bullshit climate change than those people.

        “Of white working class male with a criminal record tends to make more money than a black male with no criminal record and higher education.”

        Proof of this please. I can see how a skill white male who is welder or machine tool operator can make more money than a Black male with a 4 year liberal arts degree. But, you are failing to mention that the same skilled white male with a criminal background also out earns a white male with a college degree in liberal arts. Please provide a source of scholarly research that show what you are saying in the aggregate.

        “The Democratic Party does try to increase equality between women, minorities, and white males. ”

        Pure bullshit!!!!! Piled high with lots of flies too!!!!!

        I believe that income/earnings is on average driven by skill set, education and job experience. White people have the greatest of all these three. So, the BEST way to increase equality is for women and minorities to increase their skill set, education, and experience. There is very little government can do drive these. What sense does it make for the government to provide students loans up to $25,000 a year for student to obtain liberal arts degrees? We clearly see minorities and women who have similar skills, education, and experience earning well over 95% of what similar whites earn. Democrat policies are ALL about taxing the rich and the most productive people in our society and giving the monies to the lesser or least productive members. How about telling women and minorities that there is no such thing as a free lunch. How about stop telling women and minorities that we are victims.

        I am not denying that White people have a higher status here in America. In some cases, it does comes from a lack of “fair play.” However, today the economic system affords immense opportunities to those who 1) see the opportunity and 2) are able to take advantage of it. CARPE DIEM!!! Immigrants to America are seizing the day!!!

        “If men want equal custody they should make equal sacrifices for their children.”

        WOW!!! This is downright outrageous. So, men who work 50-60 hours in factories or hazardous job to provide for their families (wife and children) are not making any sacrifices? That’s great to know. It is also very anti man. Men make sacrifices daily for their children. Look at how many of their fickle and ungrateful wives treat them in return. These women can just wake up one day and feel “unfulfilled” and want to end the marriage. There is a HUGE incentive to do so: 1) she will get assets, 2) she will get custody, 3) she has the power of the State to support her.

        In my next talk to my mens group, I will be certain to inform them that they need to make greater sacrifices for their children. Be they the two Veterans who have missing limbs from IEDs or the ones who work 2 or 3 jobs to make sure the rent is paid and the utilities are still on when his wife and kids get home.

        I cannot believe you wrote this. Disappointed and annoyed at the same time.

      • I will write more on this later. Maybe I’ll just do a blog post. Or more than one.

        But what I see from this is that when people have two different mindsets, and approaching the same information, they can see very different things.

        My point was that if women and men both made equal sacrifices to their families and their jobs, then children would be equally bonded to both mom and dad, and mom and dad would then get equal custody.

      • “But the number one priority of Republicans was to make Obama a failed president so they blocked much of what he wanted to do because they would rather have power than good jobs with my wages. So Obama did what he could where he could simply do executive orders, like climate change.”

        This is just not true…The Republicans always caved to President Obama, except when Ted Cruz forced a shut down of the Federal government.

        Just look at the most recent continuing resolution: no cut to Planned Parenthood, no $$$$ for the wall. The reason for all of this is establishment Republicans like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell always cave to the Democrats. This is why so many Republicans like myself became disillusioned with the Republican Establishment. This is why we refused to vote for the Jeb Bush and Kasichs of the world. President Obama got 90% of what he wanted!!!! Hell, he even got tax increases on even middle Americans!

      • Making Obama failed president by refusing to work with him was the number one goal as stated by Mitch McConnell. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40007802/ns/politics-decision_2010/t/gop-leaders-top-goal-make-obama–term-president/

        Even when Obama used Republican ideas Republicans rejected them — e.g.Obamacare was formed by conservative Heritage think tank and first put into place by Republican, Mitt Romney.

        And Republicans didn’t want to much stimulus because that would get the economy going and make it harder for them to win in the midterm election, And subsequent elections.

        There’re many other examples of Republicans having an idea and then deciding they didn’t like it once Obama took it up.

        And Ted Cruz’s shutdown of the federal government wasn’t successful. Republicans were blamed, as they should’ve been since they were the ones who shut it down.

        On the other hand if you look at the budget just passed by Congress you are right that Republicans didn’t get much of what they wanted. That’s because they had to get Democratic support in order to pass the budget, And Dems weren’t going to agree to things that helped the rich and hurt everyone else. Dems weren’t going to do things that limited women’s reproductive rights and their autonomy. And they weren’t going to waste money on a wall — people can figure out how to climb walls. And shutting down the government at that point would have been too deadly to Republican prospects.

        But my main point is I don’t understand why Trump voters don’t push him to help working-class people instead of defend him when he Hurt them in order to help the wealthy.

      • “people can figure out how to climb walls”

        A few can, but apprehensions fell by 95% when the San Diego wall was built, so empirical data says they work pretty well.

      • San Diego is a small area where surveillance can be easily done.

        The entire southern border is a very different situation.

  2. Reblogged this on eugenevdebs3 and commented:
    Trump will ultimately fail to achieve his promised economic relief for the middle and working class folks who put him over the top in the electoral college. I hope it doesn’t take eight years of his antics to make this apparent to enough people. We deserve better government than what he and the GOP Congress have provided to date.

    • The Democrats have zippy to offer the American people other than their identity politics, redistribution, and other non sense.

      What I don’t get with Dems is they rant and scream about the elites and Republican screwing over the working class and poor. But, I observe two things about the Democrat Party: 1) they have contempt for working class people, especially White working class people and 2) they (Dems) get just as much money from corporate America as the Republicans. Look at Hillary Clinton’s campaign. She pulled in over $1 bil, nearly all from wealthy and corporate donors. Donald Trump spent half of that with the majority coming from ordinary people.

      Yes, I agree we deserve a better government. But, the Dems are out in Left field. It’s crazy what I see with the Dems. Instead of changing their ways, they are doubling down!!! If 2/3 of State legislatures and Governorships were held by Republicans, you would think they would change their message. But, when you have a party that is driven by emotional stuff like “patriarchy”, bullying, transgender/bathroom issues, class warfare, identity politics, and being openly anti male and anti- White, there is no future for them. But, they refuse to get.

      Go ahead and “resist”, “insist”, “persist” blah blah blah.

      • I don’t know any Democrats who have contempt for the working class. And in fact, about the half of the working class generally votes Democratic. Could you give me an example of what you were talking about?

        Almost all of the gains of the last 40 years have gone to the top 1% because of things like automation and off shoring jobs, and trying to keep wages low through things like unionbusting and keeping the minimum wage low. They aren’t sharing with their workers the profits that workers help to create.

        So why shouldn’t some of that prospect be re-distributed to them? Or at least change rules so that workers have an equal shot?

        Democrats are much more likely to do this than Republicans are. I meet with both Democrats and Republicans and Democrats are for strong unions, a higher minimum-wage, and earned income tax credit which insures that no one who is working for a living is living in poverty. And they are for stimulating the economy – which Obama did in which kept us from falling into a great depression.

        I’ve noticed that a lot of right wingers listen only to right wing media and only hear one side of things. Obama did much to help the working class. The economy would’ve tanked without the job stimulus he did. But the number one priority of Republicans was to make Obama a failed president so they blocked much of what he wanted to do because they would rather have power than good jobs with my wages. So Obama did what he could where he could simply do executive orders, like climate change.

        And if we don’t stop climate change ordinary people will see their costs rise as hurricanes come more often and more violently, same with tornadoes. Coastal flooding will hurt much of the southeast. Here in the west we will have to pay more money for damage from fires, and we will have to pay for desalination, dams, trucking water in.

        But big oil and big coal will make a lot of money. In a redistribution of wealth from ordinary people to big coal and big oil.

  3. I did not vote in the last election, nor have I voted for the past 20 years as I came to the conclusion years ago that it doesn’t matter who you vote for nor who wins as the same power elites will always control the government. Whichever politician wins is just mere window dressing and allows one segment on the population to feel as if they have ‘influence’. In this case, Trump appealed to White blue collar workers, but in reality he represents the same old elites.

    Clinton on the other hand didn’t even make any effort whatsoever to support or appeal to the working class (the traditional Democratic base). Instead she tried to put together a coalition of groups (women, blacks, Latinos, gays, etc.) believing that together she would have a majority while her true allegiance was to Wall Street.

    So in end, no matter who won (Trump or Clinton), the same Wall St. elites would continue to rule, it would just be with a different facade.

    • On the other hand, elections do matter.

      If Hillary had won she would not be dismantling Healthcare. She’d be fixing it.

      She would not be dismantling Obama’s work to quell climate change.

      She would not be working to defund Planned Parenthood — which serves one in five women. Only 3% of their funds provide abortions (and those aren’t funded by the US government).

      She would not defund clinics outside the US that aid women’s healthcare.

      She would not be demonizing minorities.

      She knows that demonizing Muslims will only radicalize them and increase terror.

      I suspect Trump knows that too and is hoping to spark a terror attack that would give him an excuse to take away our rights and create a military dictatorship — Clinton wouldn’t have done that.

      And she actually did have a plan to help both workers and business: Get $ into worker hands which increases sales/profits (via worker profit-sharing, earned income tax credit, higher min wage…) Works for everyone.

      She would not have dismantled the laws that Obama and a Democratic Congress put in place to protect Main Street from Wall Street.

      Yes, elections do make a difference.

      • Maybe Hillary wouldn’t try to roll back Obamacare, but one wonders why Obamacare tied the hands of government and doesn’t allow the government (the country’s largest purchaser of pharmaceuticals) to negotiate the price of medicines? Cheaper medicines would also help the poor, elderly, everyone that is except for Wall St.

        Also, Hillary is very much a war hawk and would have gone out of her way to engage in another war somewhere… which would only serve to increase profits for the military/industrial complex…

      • I know a lot of people thought she would get us into war but I have never seen things that way. And her husband didn’t. They didn’t do that when they were in office the last time. I’m much more worried about Trump doing that.

        Otherwise, we really need to get money out of politics. And Hillary would have appointed someone to the Supreme Court who would have worked against the corrupting influence of money in politics. Every single Democratic appointee has worked against it. And every single Republican appointee has worked for it. Take a look at decisions like Citizens United.

        Because of the power of money in politics we don’t have single-payer insurance, we don’t have affordable pharmaceuticals, we aren’t working very much on climate change, etc…

        …And Trump voters, along with the rest of us, don’t have a voice.

      • The USA must be the only country in the world where people (actually the left) think it’s a good idea to vote strategically to affect who is appointed to the highest court. Forget separation of powers, and having judges who simply apply the law as written, no we need to get judges into power who will subvert the law according to our way of thinking. Other countries, Britain, Australia, and so forth just have high courts who apply the law, and nobody takes any interest in who is appointed because whoever is appointed just does their job. If someone wants a different law, the procedure is well known: you elect a government to make a different law, you don’t try and corrupt the judiciary.

      • Funny that you say the left did that in this election when that is exactly what got Donald Trump elected on the right.

        Many wealthy interests didn’t like the populism of Trump but voted for him anyway assuming he would put in a right wing justice who would defend decisions like Citizens United which increased the power of big money in politics. And decreased the voice of Trump voters and the rest of us.

        And many on the Christian right disliked Trump’s lack of religion in his personal life, and all of the affairs and sexual harassment he has committed. But they voted for him because they thought he would install a Supreme Court justice who would diminish women’s rights through court decisions like Hobby Lobby which placed the so-called “conscience” of a corporation over the conscience and rights of it’s female employees.

  4. I think many Trump voters were more anti-Hillary and the system, anti-Media, stick it to the Man voting, not voting for him per se. I hope that more sane candidates are in the field in the next election…

  5. I suspect Dave is correct, that a vote for Trump or a vote for Bernie, was a vote against the establishment and the media.

  6. It is very interesting to see what people hold onto when making an argument. That is what they truly believe. What you truly believe says much more about you, then it will ever say about what you are arguing. Important to take in mind is that we even get more information out of who you are when you are speaking of something which takes up many subjects, such as a presidential debate. Why I think Trump supporters are to this day not upset and still defending their candidate was because they themselves decided to put him on a pedestal and now they are going to lose because of it. That right there is a hard reality shock one that is not going to be accepted into your conscious, very easily. Subconsciously you might be aware of what is going on, you might get a gut feeling, that deep down something is not right but there is no way you are going to accept the fact that you made a mistake that might cost you and your family your economic security and sadly your life from this moment on. It’s denial at its finest. The reason why I mentioned above that we get to know people by the manner in which they debate because I understand that you truly believed Trump would help, he said all the right things at all the right moments. He spoke as if he was not apart of “them”, whoever “them” where. Trump supporters voted for Trump with good intentions, reality thought gives us the results and they are not always very pretty. I think we all know what the problem is, people always get the end of the stick on many subjects such as our sex, our race, our rights, our mere opinion,not to think about it but our jobs. We are taught accordingly who we should be and how we should be according to your pay. My question to you all, is sexism, racism, or control the problem or are they simply side effects to a problem? Do we know why we have these problems? Patriarchy it must be and it is but even arguably patriarch is a side effect to the problem. Jobs people, that is the problem. Jobs create both the pay and the profit. All problems stems from the fact if you are employed or not? Second question, who are you employed by and how much money do you make? Last question where do you live and who do you know? That is what makes America great, the things we create and then sell for profit and surplus. The reason why American’s had it so “well back then” and even this can be argued for or against depending on who you are and where you stood while alive in the United States.. was because we worked the jobs that created stuff. By we I mean humans, not all of us but some of us, and we or some of us got “lucky’ because of it. Sadly today that is taken over by auto-mafufactoring and someday maybe pretty soon technology. That leaves many Americans with unstable pay or really bad pay. That leaves already wealthy American’s wealthier because their personal profit is the fact that we poor Americans are in need of work. We can not fight a war if we do not know who to fight and we will always lose the war when we are fighting the wrong opponent Believe it or not most us are on the same ship, because most of us belong to the other 99%. We feel the same problems, but because of geography and social contacts, we interpret the same thing very differently and come to very different conclusions on what the problem is and how we can fix it.

  7. First off I am not a Trump supporter and I am not a Hillary supporter either. I think out of the two there isn’t really a huge difference in who is better in my opinion because the two both have major flaws that they are bringing to the table. As for Trump not doing what he promised could be seen a mile away before he even became president.

    • On the other hand, elections do matter. (As I mentioned to someone else):

      If Hillary had won she would not be dismantling Healthcare. She’d be fixing it.

      She would not be dismantling Obama’s work to quell climate change.

      She would not be working to defund Planned Parenthood — which serves one in five women. Only 3% of their funds provide abortions (and those aren’t funded by the US government).

      She would not defund clinics outside the US that aid women’s healthcare.

      She would not be demonizing minorities.

      She knows that demonizing Muslims will only radicalize them and increase terror.

      I suspect Trump knows that too and is hoping to spark a terror attack that would give him an excuse to take away our rights and create a military dictatorship — Clinton wouldn’t have done that.

      And she actually did have a plan to help both workers and business: Get $ into worker hands which increases sales/profits (via worker profit-sharing, earned income tax credit, higher min wage…) Works for everyone.

      She would not have dismantled the laws that Obama and a Democratic Congress put in place to protect Main Street from Wall Street.

      Yes, elections do make a difference.

  8. Just for the record, Bill Clinton intervened militarily in Somalia (remember the film “Black Hawk Down”, and he also intervened militarily in the Balkans (Serbia/Bosnia).

    • But in those cases it done for humanitarian reasons. Peace keepers were being killed and genocide.

      • I really don’t think the intervention in the Balkans was for humanitarian reasons… At the risk of being cynical, I would argue that the West supported the split up of what was Yugoslavia because a unified Yugoslavia under Serbian leadership would have remained geo-politically within Russia’s sphere of influence. By breaking up the various republics, the West believed they would come within the EU’s and Nato’s sphere of influence, which (with the exception of Serbia) has largely come to pass. Just this month for example, Montenegro joined NATO.

      • Well if I am reading you right I don’t have a problem with the EU and NATO having more influence than Russia. The former are much more democratic and human rights oriented than the latter.

  9. Except for the few people who are, and enjoy being, privileged, people react negatively to being told they are. It’s a victim mindset: I am a victim, and how dare you tell me that I am an oppressor!

    White man: Life sucks! Please feel sorry for me.
    White woman: What about me? I have to look after the kids.
    Gay man: You think your life sucks? Hah!
    QWoC: WTF?
    [other]: Well, at least people recognise the validity of your existence…
    White man: See, this is what I’m talking about. Bloody identity politics!

    Vote Trump! He may not care about the little people, but he does prefer them white.

    (But please don’t vote May in June. Brexit is damaging enough already. We don’t need another Trump.)

    • Yes, people do often react negatively to being told they are privileged. I see that all the time. Recognizing you are privileged suggests that things aren’t fair and that you should give up some privilege, Which many don’t want to do.

      And yet one of the things I ask my students to do is to consider ways in which they are privileged based on their gender, race, sexual orientation, cis-gender status, economic class.

      Most are generally willing to do so. And I recognize that I am privileged on many of the above categories.

      • I give up, how is a poor, cis-gendered, unmarried, uneducated, unemployed white male privileged?

      • This person is both privileged and underprivileged, but in different ways.

        Privileged in these ways: cis-gender male
        Underprivileged in these ways: poor, unmarried, uneducated, unemployed

  10. 100% Trump backer . My answer to your question initially was I’m just so damn thankful to get a terrorist out of office that I don’t even care at the moment what’s going on as long as we’re safe. With that said you can be a supportive somebody and still be disappointed in their decisions on certain issues. And also to be quite honest compared to the last Administration we are looking at a 100% gold with Trump if nothing else because he loves America and he won’t allow terrorists to take us down or pay for it heck even pledge allegiance to the flag

    • Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. It’s difficult to understand when others have such different perspectives from my own.

      My one hope when he was running in the primaries was that he was pointing out that the Republican elite only helped the wealthy, and I was hoping that this would get his supporters to push for their own interests. I am disappointed to see that they have stopped doing that.

      I still wonder why you all have stopped. Even if you agree with him on some points why not push him to help you over the wealthy?

      Not really sure why you think that Obama is a terrorist but I’m guessing there’s no point debating that one.

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